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GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by ColonelPhantom »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #27
gabrielgio wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

x11 is in maintenance mode at this point and Gnome is not going anywhere. Gnome is used (and financed) by major distributions. Nothing new is being created with x11 and the people from freedesktop don't seen to be thrilled to maintain it. I don't think should change just for the sake of changing, but I'd start looking to migrate whatever you use that depends on x11.

And wayland is in broken mode. KDE keep changing the default back to wayland after each update, and every time my linux systems are broken until I switch back to x11.

What is broken for you? At this point, starting from roughly KDE 6, Wayland has been pretty much flawless for me. KDE 5.27 was pretty much fine already as well.

Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by api »

user3939382 wrote: post #26
gabrielgio wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I understand what you mean. Do you mean wayland is not usable with nvidia proprietary driver? I remember that being annoying but possible many year ago (with sway --my-next-gpu-wont-be-nvidia thingy). But if you use really old nvidia gpu you can have a mixed experience with wayland. Which is a fair problem to complain, but you can't blame that on wayland and call that lack of freedom. That problem was c…

The “what’s the harm” here is the systemd conversation all over again basically. If you pipe everything through a single point of failure black box users have already lost, when you combine it binary blob drivers that shouldn’t exist it’s worse. Linux is doomed in achieving its most important goals which are user freedom, not someone’s idea of pretty UI imposed at the expense of that. If that’s what users want they s…

Open source has never achieved user freedom.

It’s achieved developer and very tech savvy IT pro freedom. If you can deal with command lines and debugging systems you are not a user. You’re a computer professional.

If OSS wanted to bring freedom to users its primary focus would be radical simplification and UI/UX.

Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by christophilus »

I haven’t booted into an X11 environment in maybe 4 years. Wayland has been fine (Fedora + Gnome, Fedora / Arch + Niri). I think this is one of those issues where hardcore users overestimate how much anyone else cares or will notice.

Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by ColonelPhantom »

graemep wrote: post #22
gabrielgio wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

x11 is in maintenance mode at this point and Gnome is not going anywhere. Gnome is used (and financed) by major distributions. Nothing new is being created with x11 and the people from freedesktop don't seen to be thrilled to maintain it. I don't think should change just for the sake of changing, but I'd start looking to migrate whatever you use that depends on x11.

The problem is that I find Wayland to be a lot buggier than x11. For example, terminal transparency using Konsole on KDE flickers for me. Its nearly there, but not quite. Maybe Gnome has no such issues?

Do you have more specifics? I just tried it on my machine (Fedora 42, Plasma 6.5.1 Wayland, Konsole 25.08.2, Radeon 780M) and it seems fine for me. Does it only occur occasionally/under specific circumstances for example?

Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by criddell »

mx7zysuj4xew wrote: post #3

X11 is not going anywhere. If anything it's Gnome adding another nail to its coffin

> adding another nail to its coffin

They've been adding nails to the coffin for 25+ years now. How many more do you think it's going to take?

Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by BoredPositron »

killerstorm wrote: post #25

I've been using Gnome for years, but, honestly, it just isn't good: seems like it's optimized for very basic use. Something as simple as adding launcher to a panel now requires an extension. Also Wayland has some problem on my system (Thinkpad / Intel Xe) where it randomly just goes slow, this makes it an easy choice to try things other than Gnome.

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Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by gabrielgio »

pjmlp wrote: post #29
mx7zysuj4xew wrote: post #3

X11 is not going anywhere. If anything it's Gnome adding another nail to its coffin

Wayland was created by X11 developers, as they decided keeping X11 going was beyond hope. Feel free to find volunteers to fulfill their shoes.

I think we would have a lot less problems if wayland was called X12 /s

Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by nkohari »

BoredPositron wrote: post #38
killerstorm wrote: post #25

I've been using Gnome for years, but, honestly, it just isn't good: seems like it's optimized for very basic use. Something as simple as adding launcher to a panel now requires an extension. Also Wayland has some problem on my system (Thinkpad / Intel Xe) where it randomly just goes slow, this makes it an easy choice to try things other than Gnome.

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Comments like these are less than worthless. If you're going to contribute, say something meaningful.
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