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GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by gabrielgio »

user3939382 wrote: post #5
gabrielgio wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

x11 is in maintenance mode at this point and Gnome is not going anywhere. Gnome is used (and financed) by major distributions. Nothing new is being created with x11 and the people from freedesktop don't seen to be thrilled to maintain it. I don't think should change just for the sake of changing, but I'd start looking to migrate whatever you use that depends on x11.

Goodbye to any trace of freedom left on Linux when you combine this with proprietary graphics drivers.

I don't think I understand what you mean. Do you mean wayland is not usable with nvidia proprietary driver? I remember that being annoying but possible many year ago (with sway --my-next-gpu-wont-be-nvidia thingy).

But if you use really old nvidia gpu you can have a mixed experience with wayland. Which is a fair problem to complain, but you can't blame that on wayland and call that lack of freedom. That problem was caused by the lack of freedom coming from nvidia gpus and how locked down they are and how nvidia for many year has been hostile towards linux desktop.

Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by blueflow »

happymellon wrote: post #8
user3939382 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Goodbye to any trace of freedom left on Linux when you combine this with proprietary graphics drivers.

Only Nvidia use proprietary graphics drivers?

vmxgfx has similar issues.

Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by jasonvorhe »

user3939382 wrote: post #5
gabrielgio wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

x11 is in maintenance mode at this point and Gnome is not going anywhere. Gnome is used (and financed) by major distributions. Nothing new is being created with x11 and the people from freedesktop don't seen to be thrilled to maintain it. I don't think should change just for the sake of changing, but I'd start looking to migrate whatever you use that depends on x11.

Goodbye to any trace of freedom left on Linux when you combine this with proprietary graphics drivers.

What's the substance behind this claim? It keeps on being repeated but I don't get what it's actually about. Is there anything proprietary about Wayland that I'm not aware of? What's the difference between proprietary drivers using X11 and Wayland?

Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by ur-whale »

mx7zysuj4xew wrote: post #3

X11 is not going anywhere. If anything it's Gnome adding another nail to its coffin

> X11 is not going anywhere. If anything it's Gnome adding another nail to its coffin

Yup, my feeling as well.

Wayland was sold as a sorely needed fix to X11 long-standing problems.

The fact that X11 had problems that sorely needed to be fixed is indeed true.

The fact that Wayland is the solution is unfortunately not.

Just because something is the next gen project does not mean it actually succeeded in fixing what it planned to.

Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by ur-whale »

gabrielgio wrote: post #4
mx7zysuj4xew wrote: post #3

X11 is not going anywhere. If anything it's Gnome adding another nail to its coffin

x11 is in maintenance mode at this point and Gnome is not going anywhere. Gnome is used (and financed) by major distributions. Nothing new is being created with x11 and the people from freedesktop don't seen to be thrilled to maintain it. I don't think should change just for the sake of changing, but I'd start looking to migrate whatever you use that depends on x11.

> x11 is in maintenance mode at this point and Gnome is not going anywhere

True.

But does not address the fact that Wayland is a bad solution to X11's problems, and that its architecturally broken from inception.

Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by vidarh »

gabrielgio wrote: post #4
mx7zysuj4xew wrote: post #3

X11 is not going anywhere. If anything it's Gnome adding another nail to its coffin

x11 is in maintenance mode at this point and Gnome is not going anywhere. Gnome is used (and financed) by major distributions. Nothing new is being created with x11 and the people from freedesktop don't seen to be thrilled to maintain it. I don't think should change just for the sake of changing, but I'd start looking to migrate whatever you use that depends on x11.

For my part, I have no intention of moving off X11 for the next decade at least. The only app I use that I don't fully control is a browser, and the worst case fallback is to run the browser in a Wayland compositor that runs on X.

Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by exe34 »

gabrielgio wrote: post #4
mx7zysuj4xew wrote: post #3

X11 is not going anywhere. If anything it's Gnome adding another nail to its coffin

x11 is in maintenance mode at this point and Gnome is not going anywhere. Gnome is used (and financed) by major distributions. Nothing new is being created with x11 and the people from freedesktop don't seen to be thrilled to maintain it. I don't think should change just for the sake of changing, but I'd start looking to migrate whatever you use that depends on x11.

x11 being in maintenance mode is the best thing that happened to it for my use case. It hasn't crashed in 15 years.

Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by chrismorgan »

dminik wrote: post #9
user3939382 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Goodbye to any trace of freedom left on Linux when you combine this with proprietary graphics drivers.

Freedom is dead when a single implementation is replaced with several competing implementations implementing an open standard.

Just so it’s clear:

The X Window System (X11) is a protocol with multiple implementations. Sure, the X.Org Server (Xorg) was the most popular by a huge margin, but there were quite a few others (e.g. XFree86, Xming, XWayland), though over time most were discontinued for one reason or another.

X11 and Wayland do differ in an important way: in X11 window managers (GNOME, KDE, i3, whatever) all sat atop the Xorg server; whereas in Wayland there’s only the compositor, so GNOME, KDE, Sway, whatever, all essentially include their own equivalent of Xorg (which could be fully integrated, or factored into a library, such as Mutter, KWin, wlroots).

Re: GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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Post by lousken »

gabrielgio wrote: post #4
mx7zysuj4xew wrote: post #3

X11 is not going anywhere. If anything it's Gnome adding another nail to its coffin

x11 is in maintenance mode at this point and Gnome is not going anywhere. Gnome is used (and financed) by major distributions. Nothing new is being created with x11 and the people from freedesktop don't seen to be thrilled to maintain it. I don't think should change just for the sake of changing, but I'd start looking to migrate whatever you use that depends on x11.

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver
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