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Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by giantg2 »

whimsicalism wrote: post #4

The Senate is fundamentally a ridiculous way of representing 350 million people and we’re going to continue to get absurd unrepresentative outcomes for as long as it remains a relevant body. There’s no getting around this and it will structurally just get worse and worse. Simply no way something like it exists 200 years from now, it is probably the biggest flaw in the US political structure right now.

"The Senate is fundamentally a ridiculous way of representing 350 million people"

They are intended to represent the states. The whole point was so that smaller states aren't overpowered by the larger states. We simply moved from the governors selecting them to the people selecting them.

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by luxuryballs »

antonvs wrote: post #13
luxuryballs wrote: post #7

is this the ongoing legacy of big pharma influence in government? there must be some reason why tapping this sign is not good enough for their purposes, maybe it’s too hard to enforce https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Analogue_Act

Another comment pointed to the alcohol industry: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45917173

is it conspiratorial to wonder that if enough of the owners are the same investment groups they can move alcohol industry pieces on behalf of other industries they also own, then they have token industries already tainted and ready to accept newly thrown tomatoes instead of the ivory ones

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by Y-bar »

potato3732842 wrote: post #38
whimsicalism wrote: post #4

The Senate is fundamentally a ridiculous way of representing 350 million people and we’re going to continue to get absurd unrepresentative outcomes for as long as it remains a relevant body. There’s no getting around this and it will structurally just get worse and worse. Simply no way something like it exists 200 years from now, it is probably the biggest flaw in the US political structure right now.

The senate kind of makes more sense the bigger the country is. You need something that essentially represents each whole state as a unit. This is also why they originally weren't directly elected. When you consider that the OG federal government mostly dealt in issues that were common to the states or very clearly interstate the reason they chose the architecture they did for the senate seems even more sensible. They…

(Non-American here).

Couldn’t it also work by guaranteeing each state X seats and then the rest Y seats are set according to census data on population?

For example a single house with 100 reserved seats, and on top of that one seat per 500k citizens?

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by whimsicalism »

goatlover wrote: post #50
whimsicalism wrote: post #4

The Senate is fundamentally a ridiculous way of representing 350 million people and we’re going to continue to get absurd unrepresentative outcomes for as long as it remains a relevant body. There’s no getting around this and it will structurally just get worse and worse. Simply no way something like it exists 200 years from now, it is probably the biggest flaw in the US political structure right now.

It was setup to represent states. The House represents districts of people.

Yes, I understand the system and the original reasoning very well, it's explained in detail in the Federalist papers. I'm saying it is a bad one.

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by hemp_is_canvas »

mind-blight wrote: post #58

This is a weird one. It absolutely should not be haphazardly added as a rider. The 0.4 per container is also insane. But, this really was an unintended loophole of the 2018 farm bill. Most plants grow THCa, which turns into Delta-9 when heated. They were ignorant and straight up forgot to specify anything except Delta-9. Cannabis is a bioremediator and absorbs basically every environmental toxin from the ground (pest…

There is pretty extensive testing throughout the industry. Small hemp farms don't want to murder their customers or themselves.

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by edbaskerville »

adamors wrote: post #68
dangus wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8 individual Democrats. Don’t lump in the rest who held the line. You are “both sides”ing this when the GOP is the only side that worked tirelessly to end healthcare subsidies and allow America’s poorest to go hungry.

8 individual democrats, the exact number needed for the vote to pass, all of whom are either out the door or safe from reelection in 2026. Quite the coincidence.

You can blame Chuck Schumer, but I agree that it's wrong to blame the rest of them.

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by jeffbee »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #59
jeffbee wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To do so you need an effective bureaucracy to which the legislature can delegate authority, otherwise there are too many details to be passed in bills. But the revanchist Roberts court has said that bureaucratic powers do not exist, the executive can only do things that are expressly enumerated by Congress and Congress can delegate nothing.

>To do so you need an effective bureaucracy to which the legislature can delegate authority, otherwise there are too many details to be passed in bills. But the revanchist Roberts court has said that bureaucratic powers do not exist, And your way would be better? All laws defined and redefined by bureaucracies in committees behind closed doors?

That isn't how federal rules have historically been made, so I neither disagree nor agree with your misleading statement.

Federal rules are created collaboratively between executive agencies and the subject matter experts relevant to the regulation, then published in the Federal Register for public review and comments, then after feedback has been gathered, considered, and incorporated the final rules are promulgated. This process was created by Congress.

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by goatlover »

hollywood_court wrote: post #54

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That has never really been true whenever they get power. Just like states rights, the deficit spending and federal overreach stops mattering. It's just a matter of which part of the government Republicans want to grow and have the funding (ICE for example).

Republicans pretend to act principled when they're not the party in power. Amazing how that works.

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by in_cahoots »

dangus wrote: post #56
mullingitover wrote: post #10

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8 individual Democrats. Don’t lump in the rest who held the line. You are “both sides”ing this when the GOP is the only side that worked tirelessly to end healthcare subsidies and allow America’s poorest to go hungry.

The fact that 8 individuals voted says nothing about how any of them actually felt. It's not a coincidence that none of them are up for reelection soon. This was all done with the blessing of leadership, they were just the sacrificial lambs.

In Nancy Pelosi's memoir there is a story about some red-state Democrat who came out publicly against Pelosi on some issue. Turns out the entire scheme was her idea- make the representative look good to his own state by throwing herself under the bus.

I'm not saying any of this is good or bad, but this is what politics actually is. A bunch of behind the scenes scheming to advance leadership's agenda. Not individual politicians voting for what they think is best.

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