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We cut our Mongo DB costs by 90% by moving to Hetzner

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Re: We cut our Mongo DB costs by 90% by moving to Hetzner

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Post by arbol »

righthand wrote: post #33
ianberdin wrote: post #27

I’m starting to worry about this Hetzner trend. It can end up to get the price skyrocketing.

We’re just going to end up with everyone moving from Amazon to Hetzner and the same issue will remain. High prices, lockin, etc will appear. We need an American “get off American big tech” movement. Differentiate people! Reading “we moved from X to Y” does not mean everyone move from X to Y, it means start considering the Y values and research other Y’s around you.

We also use OVH, Contabo, Hostwinds... Architect so you can be multi-provider and reduce internet centralisation!

Re: We cut our Mongo DB costs by 90% by moving to Hetzner

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Post by cpursley »

Why in the world do people choose Mongo over Postgres? I'm legit curious. Is it inexperience? Javascript developers who don't know backend or proper data modeling (or about jsonb)? Is this type of decision coming down from non-technical management? Are VCs telling their portfolio companies what to use so they have something to burn their funding on? It's just really confounding, especially when there's even mongo-api compatible Postgres solutions now. Perhaps I'm just not webscale and too cranky.

Re: We cut our Mongo DB costs by 90% by moving to Hetzner

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Post by goastler »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #17

> Here's how we managed to cut our costs by 90% You could cut your MongoDB costs by 100% by not using it ;) > without sacrificing performance or reliability. You're using a single server in a single datacenter. MongoDB Atlas is deployed to VMs on 2-3 AZs. You don't have close to the same reliability. (I'm also curious why their M40 instance costs $1000, when the Pricing Calculator ( https://www.mongodb.com/pricing )…

> you're going to have multiple outages us: 0, aws: 1. Looking good so far ;)

> AND incur more cross-internet costs hetzner have no bandwidth traffic limit (only speed) on the machine, we can go nuts.

I understand you point wrt the cloud, but I spend as much time debugging/building a cloud deployment (atlas :eyes: ) as I do a self-hosted solution. Aws gives you all the tools to build a super reliable data store, but many people just chuck something on us-east-1 and go. There's you single point of failure.

Given we're constructing a many-node decentralised system, self-hosted actually makes more sense for us because we've already had to become familiar enough to create a many-node system for our primary product.

When/if we have a situation where we need high data availability I would strongly consider the cloud, but in the situations where you can deal with a bit of downtime you're massively saving over cloud offerings.

We'll post a 6-month and 1-year follow-up to update the scoreboard above

Re: We cut our Mongo DB costs by 90% by moving to Hetzner

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Post by righthand »

arbol wrote: post #41
righthand wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’re just going to end up with everyone moving from Amazon to Hetzner and the same issue will remain. High prices, lockin, etc will appear. We need an American “get off American big tech” movement. Differentiate people! Reading “we moved from X to Y” does not mean everyone move from X to Y, it means start considering the Y values and research other Y’s around you.

We also use OVH, Contabo, Hostwinds... Architect so you can be multi-provider and reduce internet centralisation!

Nice, if you write an article about it, try to leave the focus off of a single hosting provider. Encouraging the differentiation is important too (next time! I’m not dogging the movement or your efforts in this article, I love to see reduced reliance of Amazon in general).

Re: We cut our Mongo DB costs by 90% by moving to Hetzner

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Post by nalekberov »

cpursley wrote: post #42

Why in the world do people choose Mongo over Postgres? I'm legit curious. Is it inexperience? Javascript developers who don't know backend or proper data modeling (or about jsonb)? Is this type of decision coming down from non-technical management? Are VCs telling their portfolio companies what to use so they have something to burn their funding on? It's just really confounding, especially when there's even mongo-api…

IMHO it's because so many people take decisions in rush. e.g. let's not design database, put whatever data shape we came ip in alpha version and see where it goes. Sometimes people favor one particular technology because every other startup chose it.

To be quite honest today's software engineering sadly is mostly about addressing 'how complex can we go' rather than 'what problem are we trying to solve'.

Re: We cut our Mongo DB costs by 90% by moving to Hetzner

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Post by __turbobrew__ »

ch2026 wrote: post #35
sdoering wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any proof of that? I am a Hetzner customer and had never heard of this before. Would be good to know what I got into.

A few years back I launched an io game and used hetzner as my backend. an hour into launch day they null routed my account because their anti-abuse system thought my sudden surge in websocket connections was an attack (unclear if they thought it was inbound or outbound doing the attacking). I had paid for advertising on a few game curation sites plus youtubers and streamers. Lovely failure all thanks to Hetzner. Took…

OVH also null routes, it has happened to me.

It seems like you have to go to one of the big boys like hurricane electric where you are allowed to use the bandwidth you paid for without someone sticking their fingers in it.

Re: We cut our Mongo DB costs by 90% by moving to Hetzner

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Post by a13n »

cpursley wrote: post #42

Why in the world do people choose Mongo over Postgres? I'm legit curious. Is it inexperience? Javascript developers who don't know backend or proper data modeling (or about jsonb)? Is this type of decision coming down from non-technical management? Are VCs telling their portfolio companies what to use so they have something to burn their funding on? It's just really confounding, especially when there's even mongo-api…

maybe instead of communicating how dumb you think people are for choosing mongo, communicate why you think it’s so dumb

Re: We cut our Mongo DB costs by 90% by moving to Hetzner

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Post by mkesper »

poszlem wrote: post #38

As in so many of these stories, what gets glossed over is just how much complexity there is in setting up your own server securely. You set up your server. Harden it. Follow all the best practices for your firewall with ufw. Then you run a Docker container. Accidentally, or simply because you don’t know any better, you bind it to 0.0.0.0 by doing 5432:5432. Oops. Docker just walked right past your firewall rules, ign…

I don't see the point of using ufw at all as Hetzner provides an external firewall.
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