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GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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For the longest time I had been using GPT-5 Pro and Deep Research. Then I tried Gemini's 2.5 Pro Deep Research. And boy oh boy is Gemini superior. The results of Gemini go deep, are thoughtful and make sense. GPT-5's results feel like vomiting a lot of text that looks interesting on the surface, but has no real depth.

I don't know what has happened, is GPT-5's Deep Research badly prompted? Or is Gemini's extensive search across hundreds of sources giving it the edge?

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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post #11

I don't want a more conversational GPT. I want the _exact_ opposite. I want a tool with the upper limit of "conversation" being something like LCARS from Star Trek. This is quite disappointing as a current ChatGPT subscriber.

Exactly, and it does't help with agentic use cases that tend to solve problem in on-shot, for example, there is 0 requirement from a model to be conversational when it is trying to triage a support question to preset categories.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. If i tell it to choose A or B, I want it to output either “A” or “B”. I don’t want an essay of 10 pages about how this is exactly the right question to ask

LLMs have essentially no capability for internal thought. They can't produce the right answer without doing that. Of course, you can use thinking mode and then it'll just hide that part from you.

No, even in thinking mode it will sycophant and write huge essays as output.

It can work without, I just have to prompt it five times increasingly aggressively and it’ll output the correct answer without the fluff just fine.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#334

It is truly stupid that they are trying to make it more human-like. They should have added a radio button to turn off these sort of customizations because it doesn't help some of us. Just pisses me off. It is supposed to be an answering machine, not some emotional support system.

Emotional dependence has to be the stickiest feature of any tech product. They know what they are doing.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#335

It is truly stupid that they are trying to make it more human-like. They should have added a radio button to turn off these sort of customizations because it doesn't help some of us. Just pisses me off. It is supposed to be an answering machine, not some emotional support system.

They ran out of features to ship so they are adding "human touch" variants.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#336

It is truly stupid that they are trying to make it more human-like. They should have added a radio button to turn off these sort of customizations because it doesn't help some of us. Just pisses me off. It is supposed to be an answering machine, not some emotional support system.

Classic case of thinking that the use-case HN readers want is what the rest of the world wants.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Asking it to clarify costs nothing and you end up getting up to speed with the language of the domain; everyone wins.

> Asking it to clarify costs nothing It costs the most important thing I got

As does avoiding jargon at the cost of clarity, or defining every term for people who already know it.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#338

It is truly stupid that they are trying to make it more human-like. They should have added a radio button to turn off these sort of customizations because it doesn't help some of us. Just pisses me off. It is supposed to be an answering machine, not some emotional support system.

yeah I have to say those 5.1 response examples are well annoying. almost condescending

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#339

It is truly stupid that they are trying to make it more human-like. They should have added a radio button to turn off these sort of customizations because it doesn't help some of us. Just pisses me off. It is supposed to be an answering machine, not some emotional support system.

Classic case of thinking that the use-case HN readers want is what the rest of the world wants.

I think a bigger problem is the HN reader mind reading what the rest of the world wants. At least when an HN reader telling us what they want it's a primary source, but reading a comment about an HN reader postulating what the rest of the world wants is simply more noisy than an unrepresentative sample of what the world may want.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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post #304

It is truly stupid that they are trying to make it more human-like. They should have added a radio button to turn off these sort of customizations because it doesn't help some of us. Just pisses me off. It is supposed to be an answering machine, not some emotional support system.

They do have that option to customize its personality. One of the choices is to have it be robotic and straight to the point.

Thank you. This should be made way more apparent. I was getting absolutely sick of "That's an insightful and brilliant blah blah blah" sycophantic drivel attached to literally every single answer. Based on the comments in this thread I suspect very few people know you can change its tone.
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