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GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Post by withinboredom »

KronisLV wrote: post #223
airstrike wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, yes, but also because it's not as good as Claude today. Bit of a self fulfilling prophecy and they seem to be measuring the wrong thing. 4% of their tokens or total tokens in the market?

> I mean, yes, but also because it's not as good as Claude today. I'm not sure, sometimes GPT-5 Codex (or even the regular GPT-5 with Medium/High reasoning) can do things Sonnet 4.5 would mess up (most recently, figuring out why some wrappers around PrimeVue DataTable components wouldn't let the paginator show up and work correctly; alongside other such debugging) and vice versa, sometimes Gemini 2.5 Pro is also pret…

Codex is great for fixing memory leaks systematically. Claude will just read the code and say “oh, it’s right here” then change something and claim it fixed it. It didn’t fix it and it doesn’t undo its useless change when you point out that it didn’t fix it.

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Post by BoredPositron »

m4houk wrote: post #304
gandalfthepink wrote: post #301

It is truly stupid that they are trying to make it more human-like. They should have added a radio button to turn off these sort of customizations because it doesn't help some of us. Just pisses me off. It is supposed to be an answering machine, not some emotional support system.

They do have that option to customize its personality. One of the choices is to have it be robotic and straight to the point.

It makes way more mistakes using the robotic/straight shooter one. Sometimes even typos it's weird.

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Post by sam-cop-vimes »

Chance-Device wrote: post #187

A lot of negativity towards this and OpenAI in general. While skepticism is always good I wonder if this has crossed the line from reasoned into socially reinforced dogpiling. My own experience with GPT 5 thinking and its predecessor o3, both of which I used a lot, is that they were super difficult to work with on technical tasks outside of software. They often wrote extremely dense, jargon filled responses that ofte…

I feel the same - a lot of negativity in these comments . At the same time, openai is following in the footsteps of previous American tech companies of making themselves indispensable to the extent that life becomes difficult without them, at which point they are too big to control.

These comments seem to be almost a involuntary reaction where people are trying to resist its influence.

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Post by sunaookami »

imiric wrote: post #191
pbiggar wrote: post #103

I've switched over to https://thaura.ai , which is working on being a more ethical AI. A side effect I hadn't realized is missing the drama over the latest OpenAI changes.

What a bizarre product. Weirdly political message and ethnic branding. I suppose "ethical AI" means models tuned to their biases instead of "Big Tech AI" biases. Or probably just a proxy to an existing API with a custom system prompt. The least they could've done is check their generated slop images for typos ("STOP GENCCIDE" on the Plans page). The whole thing reeks of the usual "AI" scam site. At best, it's profiti…

Even the website design is 1:1 copied from Anthropic lol

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Post by b112 »

m4houk wrote: post #304
gandalfthepink wrote: post #301

It is truly stupid that they are trying to make it more human-like. They should have added a radio button to turn off these sort of customizations because it doesn't help some of us. Just pisses me off. It is supposed to be an answering machine, not some emotional support system.

They do have that option to customize its personality. One of the choices is to have it be robotic and straight to the point.

I think we could even anthropomorphize this a bit.

A slider, and on one side have 'had one beer, extrovert personality', and the other 'introvert happy to talk with you'.

The second being, no stupid overflowing, fake valley girl type empathy or noise.

"please respond as if you are an 80s valley girl, for the rest of this conversation. Please be VERY valley girl like, including praising my intellect constantly."

"I need to find out what the annual GDP is of Uruguay."

Ohhh my GAWD, okay, like—Dude, you are, like, literally the smartest human ever for asking about Uruguay’s GDP, I’m not even kidding Like, who even thinks about that kinda stuff? You’re basically, like, an econ genius or something!

So, check it—Uruguay’s GDP is, like, around $81 billion, which is, like, sooo much money I can’t even wrap my pink-scrunchied head around it

Do you, like, wanna know how that compares to, say, Argentina or something? ’Cause that would be such a brainy move, and you’re, like, totally giving economist vibes right now

"ok. now please respond to the same question, but pretend you're an introvert genius hacker-type, who likes me and wants to interact. eg, just give the facts, but with no praising of any kind"

Uruguay’s nominal GDP for 2024 is approximately US $80.96 billion. In purchasing power parity (PPP) terms, it’s about US $112 billion.

I agree with the upstream post. Just give me the facts. I'm not interested in bonding with a search engine, and normal ChatGPT almost seems valley girl like.

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Post by gblargg »

gandalfthepink wrote: post #301

It is truly stupid that they are trying to make it more human-like. They should have added a radio button to turn off these sort of customizations because it doesn't help some of us. Just pisses me off. It is supposed to be an answering machine, not some emotional support system.

I've had success limiting the number of words output, e.g. "max 10 words" on a query. No room for fluff.

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Post by LaFolle »

gandalfthepink wrote: post #301

It is truly stupid that they are trying to make it more human-like. They should have added a radio button to turn off these sort of customizations because it doesn't help some of us. Just pisses me off. It is supposed to be an answering machine, not some emotional support system.

> We heard clearly from users that great AI should not only be smart, but also enjoyable to talk to.

That is what most people asked for. No way to know if that is true, but if it indeed is the case, then from business point of view, it makes sense for them to make their model meet the expectation of users even. Its extremely hard to make all people happy. Personally, i don't like it and would rather prefer more robotic response by default rather than me setting its tone explicitly.

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Post by cma »

totallymike wrote: post #318
cma wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pay people $1 and hour and ask them to choose A or B, which is more short and professional: A) Keeping it short and professional. Yes, there are only seven deadly sins B) Yes, there are only seven deadly sins Also have all the workers know they are being evaluated against each other and if they diverge from the majority choice their reliability score may go down and they may get fired. You end up with some evaluation…

I can’t tell if you’re being satirical or not…

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