These arguments that the only worthy developers have tons of public facing open source projects are tiresome. Probably less than 1% of developers have GitHub repos and there's no correlation between skill level and having a GitHub repo. If you have extensive and current open source contributions, for most people it means you're unemployed, or you're violating your employer's contract terms. Evaluating a GitHub repo f…
Is a resume relevant in the age of online courses and open source projects?
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Re: Is a resume relevant in the age of online courses and open source projects?
#32Employers will not retire resumes because they know better than anyone else that online activity is classified as marketing rather than individual achievement. If you generate this kind of online activity, good for you, it makes it easier to find a job or to sell a product. It may even replace a traditional job. But having a degree from a top university, having a position in a well know company, receiving a prize rec…
If you're applying for a position at a company that has HR minions guarding the gates to the hiring manager, then yeah this is great. If you're being hired by an individual with development experience this isn't likely to cut a lot of ice.
Here's why: several of the best developers I've ever met do not have degrees. Some didn't even bother graduating from highschool. I've worked with many developers that had degrees from name brand schools that couldn't find their ass with both hands and a map. Everyone I know in industry has had similar experiences.
"having a position in a well known company"
This at least gets you some name recognition and opens the doors to quality networking opportunities, but there's no guarantee that Name Brand Corp. didn't make a hiring mistake when they brought you on in the first place, so again, time for some healthy skepticism from the hiring manager.
"receiving a prize recognized in the industry"
Either this kind of opportunity is so rare that it's effectively out of reach for the overwhelming majority of developers in $industry_segment OR it's a valueless rubber stamp (see also: MS certifications).
"Unless you're talking about internet marketing positions, these are the things that really matter to an employer."
Your talking points imply that you define "employer" as medium to large corporation with a formal HR department and it's hiring practices stuck in the 90's. Typically a great gig if you're into grinding B2B middleware code for industry median pay and two weeks vacation. If that's what you're into that's cool I guess.
Compare/contrast an experienced FOSS contributor for a well-known project. Fending off recruiter calls and getting cold called for consulting gigs three or four times a week is the norm. Tech interviews are typically pared down to seeing if your personality will fit with the rest of the team because they already know you can code.
Resume? No thanks. Show me your code and then let's have a beverage and chat.
Re: Is a resume relevant in the age of online courses and open source projects?
#33These arguments that the only worthy developers have tons of public facing open source projects are tiresome. Probably less than 1% of developers have GitHub repos and there's no correlation between skill level and having a GitHub repo. If you have extensive and current open source contributions, for most people it means you're unemployed, or you're violating your employer's contract terms. Evaluating a GitHub repo f…
This is silly. I interview plenty of people who can barely code.
If someone has interesting projects on github, I'm reasonably confident they can code. Hence, correlation between having projects on github and coding ability.
Evaluating a github repo, while nonsimple, is far more accurate than scanning a resume.
Re: Is a resume relevant in the age of online courses and open source projects?
#34These arguments that the only worthy developers have tons of public facing open source projects are tiresome. Probably less than 1% of developers have GitHub repos and there's no correlation between skill level and having a GitHub repo. If you have extensive and current open source contributions, for most people it means you're unemployed, or you're violating your employer's contract terms. Evaluating a GitHub repo f…
The related problem I have is when I see a prospective employer that wants to see or discuss hobby projects. I understand that it is seen as an indication of passion for hacking/engineering or whatever, but when I'm at home I'm either drained from a day of focused work, or working on a hobby project related to my employer, like a new visualization or small tool that's fun to construct. It worries me when I think abou…
I scoffed at this article for being too hopeful.
Re: Is a resume relevant in the age of online courses and open source projects?
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Yes, "show me the github" is one of the worst trends for software developers' careers. On the other hand, there are benefits to posting code online that they can review. Instead of spending hours writing code for each company that you're interviewing with, you can just write code that you're actually interested in and throw it online. Say you're talking with 20 companies. Each of those 20 interviews have an associa…
"... there are benefits to posting code online that they can review..." In most domains, code is proprietary. Few ask for code samples because unscrupulous interviewees could reveal proprietary code, potentially opening the company to legal liabilities. I make it a point not to read code that interviewees supply because I don't want to be sued by XYZ company because of code theft. In my industry, it has happened many…
Therefore, don't interview any Russians and you should be safe!
Re: Is a resume relevant in the age of online courses and open source projects?
#36These arguments that the only worthy developers have tons of public facing open source projects are tiresome. Probably less than 1% of developers have GitHub repos and there's no correlation between skill level and having a GitHub repo. If you have extensive and current open source contributions, for most people it means you're unemployed, or you're violating your employer's contract terms. Evaluating a GitHub repo f…
Depends on what stack you're working with, and the associated broad engineering culture. I haven't hired anyone who didn't have a Github repo in 2 years, out of 18+ FTEs and contractors - but we're a Rails/Scala/node shop building fancy web apps for startups. Not having a huge OSS track record is fine, but not having a Github account at all would be kinda weird these days. If we were doing embedded systems stuff or f…
Re: Is a resume relevant in the age of online courses and open source projects?
#37These arguments that the only worthy developers have tons of public facing open source projects are tiresome. Probably less than 1% of developers have GitHub repos and there's no correlation between skill level and having a GitHub repo. If you have extensive and current open source contributions, for most people it means you're unemployed, or you're violating your employer's contract terms. Evaluating a GitHub repo f…
I disagree with almost everything you said, but I'm going to take note of one bit in particular: "there's no correlation between skill level and having a GitHub repo" There may be no evidence of any correlation, but I'm willing to bet there's no evidence in favor of a lack of correlation, because I'm pretty sure no one has done anything approaching a scientific study on this.
Re: Is a resume relevant in the age of online courses and open source projects?
#38These arguments that the only worthy developers have tons of public facing open source projects are tiresome. Probably less than 1% of developers have GitHub repos and there's no correlation between skill level and having a GitHub repo. If you have extensive and current open source contributions, for most people it means you're unemployed, or you're violating your employer's contract terms. Evaluating a GitHub repo f…
Depends on what stack you're working with, and the associated broad engineering culture. I haven't hired anyone who didn't have a Github repo in 2 years, out of 18+ FTEs and contractors - but we're a Rails/Scala/node shop building fancy web apps for startups. Not having a huge OSS track record is fine, but not having a Github account at all would be kinda weird these days. If we were doing embedded systems stuff or f…
>> not having a Github account at all would be kinda weird these days
and this ...
>> if you're a Rails developer and you don't have a Github account, I'm still probably not going to read your resume.
Thanks for the heads up hansef.
Re: Is a resume relevant in the age of online courses and open source projects?
#39Employers will not retire resumes because they know better than anyone else that online activity is classified as marketing rather than individual achievement. If you generate this kind of online activity, good for you, it makes it easier to find a job or to sell a product. It may even replace a traditional job. But having a degree from a top university, having a position in a well know company, receiving a prize rec…
"having a degree from a top university" If you're applying for a position at a company that has HR minions guarding the gates to the hiring manager, then yeah this is great. If you're being hired by an individual with development experience this isn't likely to cut a lot of ice. Here's why: several of the best developers I've ever met do not have degrees. Some didn't even bother graduating from highschool. I've worke…
What is this hipster hiring? Give it 10 or 20 years bud you'll be singing a different tune or afraid to try to get hired as a coder and just pulling manager duty 3 or 4 levels up in the middle quietly re-assuring yourself that you could code and get a job in that new language eebbityfribitz ... if you really wanted to.
Re: Is a resume relevant in the age of online courses and open source projects?
#40These arguments that the only worthy developers have tons of public facing open source projects are tiresome. Probably less than 1% of developers have GitHub repos and there's no correlation between skill level and having a GitHub repo. If you have extensive and current open source contributions, for most people it means you're unemployed, or you're violating your employer's contract terms. Evaluating a GitHub repo f…
Depends on what stack you're working with, and the associated broad engineering culture. I haven't hired anyone who didn't have a Github repo in 2 years, out of 18+ FTEs and contractors - but we're a Rails/Scala/node shop building fancy web apps for startups. Not having a huge OSS track record is fine, but not having a Github account at all would be kinda weird these days. If we were doing embedded systems stuff or f…
What's the business need for stating it in those terms, then?