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My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by frenchman_in_ny »

captainkrtek wrote: post #16

My condolences, very sorry for your loss. I work as an EMT (911) and resourcing is certainly a problem. In my small city, our response time is around 5 minutes, and if we need to upgrade to get paramedics, that’s maybe another 5-10. However, if we are out on a call, out of service, or the neighboring city is on a call, now the next closest unit is 15+ minutes away.. sometimes there can just be bad luck in that nearby…

I'm coming at this as someone who had an MI at a relatively young age:

For the goals -- and this may differ between EMT / paramedic & protocols -- but I would really wish that there was a blood draw done in the field. Before they bring you to the cath lab with a suspected MI, the ER is likely going to draw blood to get troponin levels at a 2-hour interval. You could save some time & heart muscle by getting a blood sample (containing initial levels) in the field.

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Post by markus_zhang »

I’m so sad to see this. For anyone who reads this, get a day, learn CPR, and buy that machine if your parents or whoever has history of heart issues. The machine doesn’t fix every kind of heart diseases but the trainer told me it decreases the possibility of death from a heart attack greatly. I recall that the possibility is lowered by 50% if you do CPR and 80% with the machine.

It is not hard to use the machine as it has clear instructions. They probably expect you to still be able to read when in panic.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by renewiltord »

bonsai_spool wrote: post #50
photon_lines wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is 100% true, especially in Canada. I've had multiple encounters with doctors who were not fit for their positions and should not have been working as doctors. One of them nearly killed my mom, and another one was suspended due to malpractice and performing research fraud, but was given her license back and is back to work at the moment. Yes she is fully licensed and back to working as a regular MD in Canada: ht…

> One of them nearly killed my mom, and another one was suspended due to malpractice and performing research fraud, but was given her license back How does alleged research fraud affect someone’s ability to be a caregiver?

Lol the idea that a scamster will only pull one scam in their life is such a gullible position hahaha.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by captainkrtek »

amluto wrote: post #65
captainkrtek wrote: post #16

My condolences, very sorry for your loss. I work as an EMT (911) and resourcing is certainly a problem. In my small city, our response time is around 5 minutes, and if we need to upgrade to get paramedics, that’s maybe another 5-10. However, if we are out on a call, out of service, or the neighboring city is on a call, now the next closest unit is 15+ minutes away.. sometimes there can just be bad luck in that nearby…

Does this mean that someone having a likely heart attack should have someone drive them to an ER in advance of paramedics arriving?

I’d say no if it were my family, and I know the response times in my area, but the story in the blog is a nightmare scenario.

People can go from heart attack to cardiac arrest quickly, and you don’t want to then tell medics you’re on the freeway and now need to do CPR.

See: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mxUqHwHbNtk&t=1520s

Around the 11 minute mark this man went into cardiac arrest, a moment prior was still talking.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by _wdfs »

hermannj314 wrote: post #40

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And people wonder why Luigi Mangione had such wide appeal for so many people. It's not that what he chose to do was morally right (personally I dont condone it at all), more that he represented someone trying to do something about the disease you mention.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by analog8374 »

nrhrjrjrjtntbt wrote: post #36
unnamed76ri wrote: post #11

I’ve been reading Influence by Robert Cialdini and just finished a disturbing section about how we are wired to obey an authority figure even when it causes harm. In this instance, the 911 dispatcher was the authority figure. Sad story.

Causes harm is the hard thing to know. In the London Grenfell fire the dispatchers said stay in the appartment. This is correct advice, except when some dodgy supply chain middleman puts effectively what amounts to gunpowder up all the external walls.

It's like we're wired to trust what we're told over what we see.

The one doing the telling is the confident man on tv and the people around us.

What's funny is, 9 out of 10 people are totally credulous. They'll swallow any foolish thing as long as a authority says it. That last guy is a skeptic. BUT if everybody around him AND the authority are saying the thing, then he believes it. Because that's reasonable, right?

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by rogerrogerr »

croes wrote: post #21
unnamed76ri wrote: post #11

I’ve been reading Influence by Robert Cialdini and just finished a disturbing section about how we are wired to obey an authority figure even when it causes harm. In this instance, the 911 dispatcher was the authority figure. Sad story.

In such cases how do you in advance what causes harm? Waiting for the ambulance or driving yourself? People died also because they didn’t wait for an ambulance.

(Not GP): Heart attacks and strokes are the two things where I will always load family members into the car and get to the hospital as quickly as practicable. Time is brain, and time is heart. I’d call 911 on the way and have them notify the hospital what’s going on.

I figure that if I’m a 10 minute drive from the hospital, it’s highly unlikely that lights and sirens will get to me and then to the hospital quicker than I can do only the second leg. If they want to meet me halfway, fine - but if they aren’t there, I’m not waiting.

Everything else? Sure, we can wait for the ambulance. I can control bleeding or whatever and you’ll live through some pain without lasting side effects. But if there isn’t blood going to an organ, we are gonna get that fixed ASAP.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

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Post by captainkrtek »

frenchman_in_ny wrote: post #71
captainkrtek wrote: post #16

My condolences, very sorry for your loss. I work as an EMT (911) and resourcing is certainly a problem. In my small city, our response time is around 5 minutes, and if we need to upgrade to get paramedics, that’s maybe another 5-10. However, if we are out on a call, out of service, or the neighboring city is on a call, now the next closest unit is 15+ minutes away.. sometimes there can just be bad luck in that nearby…

I'm coming at this as someone who had an MI at a relatively young age: For the goals -- and this may differ between EMT / paramedic & protocols -- but I would really wish that there was a blood draw done in the field. Before they bring you to the cath lab with a suspected MI, the ER is likely going to draw blood to get troponin levels at a 2-hour interval. You could save some time & heart muscle by getting a blood sa…

Certainly protocol dependent, and likely more in the paramedic realm.
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