Live data from Hacker News

My dad could still be alive, but he's not

jenn.site

51–60 of 328 posts

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

#51
post #2

This story reminds me of how the high schoolers on the Korean ferry MV Sewol obeyed the instructions to stay in their rooms.

Just read about it on Wikipedia. Straight up murder. This isn't "you shouldn't follow instructions" but more "dont get murdered".

They 2x overloaded cargo, made it loose, captain abandons ship while staying in place order remains.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

#52
My sincere condolences to the author. Wishing you strength and peace.

I once saw a man have a heart attack on the beach, less than a 5 minutes drive from a fire-station and rescue team. A helicopter arrived after 45 minutes, and the man was deceased already. That was in Martinique, french Caribbean.

There's a need for an app to let patients track the ambulance. It's been possible for 10+ years, as seen with Uber. It seems existing products have focused on tracking only for the purpose of managing a fleet, missing the focus on patients needs.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

#53
post #37

My condolences, very sorry for your loss. I work as an EMT (911) and resourcing is certainly a problem. In my small city, our response time is around 5 minutes, and if we need to upgrade to get paramedics, that’s maybe another 5-10. However, if we are out on a call, out of service, or the neighboring city is on a call, now the next closest unit is 15+ minutes away.. sometimes there can just be bad luck in that nearby…

Is it recommended to take or give aspirin ASAP before the EMTs arrive? If so, I wonder if the dad took it.

Assuming no sensitivities/allergies, give 300mg chewed for faster absorption immediately. Normally (where I am) the dispatcher will tell you to do that on the phone.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

#54
post #22
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have this one in my memory but... high schoolers? I'm not going to look that up.

There are a few docs out there on it, extremely extremely extremely insane/sad situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_A8dq2fA5o

Some haunting cellphone video from the students' view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9U-TQrxBOxY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZuex_dnpBM (23-minutes of more raw video)

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

#55
> my dad is dead, because his family members were too naive to know that the thing they were instructed to do by the state was a false thing.

The primary goal of the state is to ensure the power of the state is perpetuated. It's really the only goal of the state, anything it does good for its people is a side effect in its pursuit of maintaining power.

The government doesn't care about you, doesn't care about your health, your children's education, your safety, your house, your job, anything else about you except in as far as they provide conditions for people sufficient to avoid large scale civil unrest and threat of government losing authority. If individuals get crushed in the machine, nobody gives a shit, least of all the government.

This is the reason vigilantism is viewed so harshly by the state and tends to attract much more attention and harsher punishment than a crime that was not motivated by justice. Not because the outcome for a victim of vigilantism is any different, but because the act threatens to undermine the authority of the state in application of justice.

The biggest perpetrators of atrocities and injustice, war, murder, theft, genocide, death and suffering through negligence and incompetence, has been the state and agents of the state. Everybody should be critical of everything the government, politicians, bureaucrats, "experts" tell you at all times. Consider they can and do lie and cover-up as easily as a person drinks water, consider motivations, and explore outcomes and alternatives and consider what is best for you, your family, your community, your society. Use your common sense, don't prejudice your ideas with what gets repeated about things. Develop plans accordingly, or at least spend a little time to think about these things.

This is not "conspiratorial". The actual conspiracy theory would that those in government are conspiring to actually help the people foremost. Anybody who puts forward that kind of crazed unfounded conspiracy theory had better come up with air-tight evidence, otherwise they'd just be peddling far-something ultra-something disinformation.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

#56

My sincere condolences to the author. Wishing you strength and peace. I once saw a man have a heart attack on the beach, less than a 5 minutes drive from a fire-station and rescue team. A helicopter arrived after 45 minutes, and the man was deceased already. That was in Martinique, french Caribbean. There's a need for an app to let patients track the ambulance. It's been possible for 10+ years, as seen with Uber. It…

> There's a need for an app to let patients track the ambulance

I don't want to blame anyone, but I'm pretty sure that kind of visibility is not desired.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

#57

>family members were too naive to know that the thing they were instructed to do by the state was a false thing Would be interesting to see everyone who jumped in here yesterday [1] to comment on this one as well. 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45889297

The problem with Canada and the USA is that there's no educated ideology primed to capture the inherent distrust people have of systems that used to work and now don't, such as government authority.

People should absolutely question authority basically all of the time. Authority should be justifying its competence to tell you what you should be doing with every decision it hands down. But there's nobody on the other side of the AM radio hosts to say "yeah the flip flop on COVID masks was weird but it's probably not because billionaires are putting tracking devices in the masks and more because the CDC just didn't understand the issue correctly yet. Here's some studies on the effectiveness of mask wearing in slowing the spread of disease, seems smart to wear one just in case?"

Instead you have neoliberal America, politicians on every side of the aisle saying "no matter who we are, at least always trust us," and the only vent from that is alt right and conspiracy theorist podcasters.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

#58

I’ve been reading Influence by Robert Cialdini and just finished a disturbing section about how we are wired to obey an authority figure even when it causes harm. In this instance, the 911 dispatcher was the authority figure. Sad story.

From the caller's perspective the dispatcher is the authority figure. But that person is just at the bottom of a pyramid. The supervisor, the section manager all the way to the CEO and shareholders.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is 100% true, especially in Canada. I've had multiple encounters with doctors who were not fit for their positions and should not have been working as doctors. One of them nearly killed my mom, and another one was suspended due to malpractice and performing research fraud, but was given her license back and is back to work at the moment. Yes she is fully licensed and back to working as a regular MD in Canada: ht…

> One of them nearly killed my mom, and another one was suspended due to malpractice and performing research fraud, but was given her license back How does alleged research fraud affect someone’s ability to be a caregiver?

She blamed the research fraud on her assistant when she was initially accused of it and denied all liabilities. She only admitted to it after they had her cornered. I had her as my endocrinologist for a while and I would not recommend her. Edit: if you want to have a care-taker who doesn't mind lying or is a psychopath, you do you but it's a no go for me.

Re: My dad could still be alive, but he's not

#60
post #48

I can speak to this. I recently joined a community first responder association (I've always wanted to know what to do in case of a medical emergency) and was shocked to hear the members' horror stories of how long it can take an ambulance to arrive. Like the author, I grew up with the narrative "in trouble, call the ambulance, they'll scream through the streets to get to you in moments". That might still be true wher…

Wow melbourne is getting that bad! Does your org have a name?
Post reply on HN