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Does Apple have a Scott Forstall problem?

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Re: Does Apple have a Scott Forstall problem?

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Post by awolf »

tlogan wrote: post #43
st0p wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Newsflash: A lot of people live in rural England, rural Ontario and Rural Holland. Besides, it can't find places like central station in Amsterdam (hardly rural). I don't care whether it's the app or the data, I don't care that it's working great in the bay area. What I do care about is that I had a perfectly working mapping solution, and now I have a second class thing that's just not working. I don't know about you…

Working great in Bay Area? Who told you that? I was under impression that this all similar to "antena gate" (kinda not big deal), but iOS maps are really really bad even in Bay Area. EDIT: Here is an example: Search for "428 University Ave, Palo Alto": you will end up in Los Gatos.

Ah, I see that too. Clearly problematic since there doesn't seem to be a way at all to load up the intended 428 University Ave address. No good.

Still though, "really really bad" makes me think you have experienced many other issues. I'm genuinely curious about how Maps performs in the places it is "supposed" to be at least passable. Got any other examples?

Meta: please don't edit your comments to respond to sub-comments. It makes the flow of the conversation very difficult to follow and makes my previous comment seem irrelevant and out of place.

Re: Does Apple have a Scott Forstall problem?

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Post by cwe »

tlogan wrote: post #43
st0p wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Newsflash: A lot of people live in rural England, rural Ontario and Rural Holland. Besides, it can't find places like central station in Amsterdam (hardly rural). I don't care whether it's the app or the data, I don't care that it's working great in the bay area. What I do care about is that I had a perfectly working mapping solution, and now I have a second class thing that's just not working. I don't know about you…

Working great in Bay Area? Who told you that? I was under impression that this all similar to "antena gate" (kinda not big deal), but iOS maps are really really bad even in Bay Area. EDIT: Here is an example: Search for "428 University Ave, Palo Alto": you will end up in Los Gatos.

Ironic that as I tested out that address example, I noticed an Apple story across the street from the actual address.

Re: Does Apple have a Scott Forstall problem?

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Post by st0p »

tlogan wrote: post #43
st0p wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Newsflash: A lot of people live in rural England, rural Ontario and Rural Holland. Besides, it can't find places like central station in Amsterdam (hardly rural). I don't care whether it's the app or the data, I don't care that it's working great in the bay area. What I do care about is that I had a perfectly working mapping solution, and now I have a second class thing that's just not working. I don't know about you…

Working great in Bay Area? Who told you that? I was under impression that this all similar to "antena gate" (kinda not big deal), but iOS maps are really really bad even in Bay Area. EDIT: Here is an example: Search for "428 University Ave, Palo Alto": you will end up in Los Gatos.

I didn't say it was working great in Bay Area, the person I responded to did... But apparently even that is not true.

Re: Does Apple have a Scott Forstall problem?

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Post by rsl7 »

Bud wrote: post #23

Who at Fortune deserves to be fired for its recent long string of incredibly idiotic articles about Apple, which have been panned here and elsewhere, then? I think the new Maps app is fantastic; the data accuracy leaves a bit to be desired, but I notice that those doing the most high-profile complaining point to errors in rural England, rural Ontario, etc. Here in the Bay Area, the data is working fine for me as well…

So wait, it works for you in the Bay area so you don't get what everyone else is complaining about? I'm laughing too hard to type accurately.

Re: Does Apple have a Scott Forstall problem?

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Post by arrrg »

shinratdr wrote: post #41
dastbe wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not skeumorphism; it's a style choice. If I had to simulate ripping the top piece of paper off the notepad in notes to clear it, then that would be skeumorphic design.

Can we just make this the auto-reply comment whenever someone mentions skeuomorphism on the internet? I couldn't be more sick of the concept, except when I hear it constantly being used incorrectly. Textures and styles aren't skeuomorphism, skeuomorphism is imitating real-world objects to provide a sense of familiarity in execution. Not a notes app that looks like a notepad, a notes app that FUNCTIONS like a notepad.

I think you two are wrong. Skeumorphism is about ornamental design, about design features that imitate something that was once necessary but is no more.

It’s consequently all about style, not about function (at least when it comes to real-world objects). Wikipedia has examples like flame shaped lightbulbs, artificial film grain or spoke patterns on hubcaps.

It seems that when it comes to software, skeumorphism can also refer to functional adoptions of virtual interfaces to their real-world counterparts†, but I think it would be misguided to exclude mere style here.

I mean, in the end this is a stupid semantic argument. Using leather textures is what it is, whether it’s skeumorphism or just style, but you two certainly do not have the facts on your side.

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† It’s pretty clear why that is the case: it’s only possible to make lightbulbs look like flames, not to make them work like flames. Software provides more freedom and makes it possible to make something virtual work like the real thing.

Re: Does Apple have a Scott Forstall problem?

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Post by arrrg »

tlogan wrote: post #44
stevenleeg wrote: post #5

Since when has Siri been "an embarrassment for Apple?"

Does it work for you? I stil have to meet a single person which actually can ask Siri something and Siri understands it and gives reasonable answer... I was under impression that it did not work because I'm ESL speaker: but it also does not work for people who speak english very well. Aha and there is class action lawsuit: http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2012/06/12/class-action-lawsuit-file... Here is the quote: Ryan asked S…

Works for me. If it doesn’t, it’s because I asked something Siri inherently does not understand.

I think it’s pretty useful and use it sometimes.

Re: Does Apple have a Scott Forstall problem?

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Post by Fjslfj »

czr80 wrote: post #33
Fjslfj wrote: post #21

Actually, it's an Eddy Cue problem.

Can you elaborate on why you say that?

Almost all of the gripes people have with Apple Internet services and software involve Cue's products, not Forstall's. But because Cue doesn't have any interest in the top job, and because of his seniority, he ducks blame every time.

Re: Does Apple have a Scott Forstall problem?

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Post by wtallis »

shinratdr wrote: post #41
dastbe wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not skeumorphism; it's a style choice. If I had to simulate ripping the top piece of paper off the notepad in notes to clear it, then that would be skeumorphic design.

Can we just make this the auto-reply comment whenever someone mentions skeuomorphism on the internet? I couldn't be more sick of the concept, except when I hear it constantly being used incorrectly. Textures and styles aren't skeuomorphism, skeuomorphism is imitating real-world objects to provide a sense of familiarity in execution. Not a notes app that looks like a notepad, a notes app that FUNCTIONS like a notepad.

You're overly restricting the definition of skeuomorphism, or perhaps confusing it entirely with anachronism. Wikipedia's definition of skeuomorphism is a design element that is retained as an ornamental imitation of a formerly functional counterpart. When a notepad app wastes screen space on drawing non-functional spiral binding, that's definitely skeuomorphism.

Re: Does Apple have a Scott Forstall problem?

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Post by markshepard »

TheGateKeeper wrote: post #24
timdorr wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's had a similar number of issues, as compared to Maps. The difference is, it didn't replace or introduce a must-have feature in iOS. As a result, it's failures were something users are able to overlook because Siri is still, essentially, a toy feature. It's not key to the phone's operation; heck it's non-obvious that it's even a feature because no where on the interface indicates that it exists (it's a hidden long…

> Maps, however, is crucial to most people that use an iPhone Citation please. Nobody I know uses google maps, even when we travel (which is a lot).

Interesting. I was thinking the same thing. Everytime I decide to depend on ios4 maps (pre-debacle) for active usage (while driving), I end up getting lost because it was horribly offcourse. Other than offline direction search, I learnt not to depend on it. So technically, other than the Schadenfreude, I dont really have a lot of problem with ios6 maps since I can fireup maps.google.com for maps/directions
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