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GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#151

Is anyone else tired of chat bots? Really doesn't feel like typing a conversation every interaction is the future of technology.

Speech to text makes it feel more futuristic.

As does reflecting that Picard had to explain to Computer every, single, time that he wanted his Earl Grey tea ‘hot’. We knew what was coming.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#152
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I don't want a more conversational GPT. I want the _exact_ opposite. I want a tool with the upper limit of "conversation" being something like LCARS from Star Trek. This is quite disappointing as a current ChatGPT subscriber.

Exactly. Stop fooling people into thinking there’s a human typing on the other side of the screen. LLMs should be incredibly useful productivity tools, not emotional support.

Food should only be for sustenance, not emotional support. We should only sell brown rice and beans, no more Oreos.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#153
post #11

I don't want a more conversational GPT. I want the _exact_ opposite. I want a tool with the upper limit of "conversation" being something like LCARS from Star Trek. This is quite disappointing as a current ChatGPT subscriber.

Exactly. Stop fooling people into thinking there’s a human typing on the other side of the screen. LLMs should be incredibly useful productivity tools, not emotional support.

How would you propose we address the therapist shortage then?

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Stop fooling people into thinking there’s a human typing on the other side of the screen. LLMs should be incredibly useful productivity tools, not emotional support.

How would you propose we address the therapist shortage then?

something something bootstraps

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#155

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Sorry that you can't control other peoples lives & wants

This is like arguing that we shouldn't try to regulate drugs because some people might "want" the heroin that ruins their lives. The existing "personalities" of LLMs are dangerous, full stop. They are trained to generate text with an air of authority and to tend to agree with anything you tell them. It is irresponsible to allow this to continue while not at least deliberately improving education around their use. Thi…

Pretty sure most of the current problems we see re drug use are a direct result of the nanny state trying to tell people how to live their lives. Forcing your views on people doesn’t work and has lots of negative consequences.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#156
post #60
post #11

I don't want a more conversational GPT. I want the _exact_ opposite. I want a tool with the upper limit of "conversation" being something like LCARS from Star Trek. This is quite disappointing as a current ChatGPT subscriber.

That's what the personality selector is for: you can just pick 'Efficient' (formerly Robot) and it does a good job of answering tersely? https://share.cleanshot.com/9kBDGs7Q

If only that worked for conversation mode as well. At least for me, and especially when it answers me in Norwegian, it will start off with all sorts of platitudes and whole sentences repeating exactly what I just asked. "Oh, so you want to do x, huh? Here is answer for x". It's very annoying. I just want a robot to answer my question, thanks.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Stop fooling people into thinking there’s a human typing on the other side of the screen. LLMs should be incredibly useful productivity tools, not emotional support.

How would you propose we address the therapist shortage then?

Who ever claimed there was a therapist shortage?

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#158
post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. Stop fooling people into thinking there’s a human typing on the other side of the screen. LLMs should be incredibly useful productivity tools, not emotional support.

Food should only be for sustenance, not emotional support. We should only sell brown rice and beans, no more Oreos.

The point the OP is making is that LLMs are not reliably able to provide safe and effective emotional support as has been outlined by recent cases. We're in uncharted territory and before LLMs become emotional companions for people, we should better understand what the risks and tradeoffs are.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

#159
post #11

I don't want a more conversational GPT. I want the _exact_ opposite. I want a tool with the upper limit of "conversation" being something like LCARS from Star Trek. This is quite disappointing as a current ChatGPT subscriber.

Engagement Metrics 2.0 are here. Getting your answer in one shot is not cool anymore. You need to waste as much time as possible on OpenAI's platform. Enshittification is now more important than AGI.

Things really felt great 2023-2024

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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post #120

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If you include API usage, personal requests are approximately 0% of total usage, rounded to the nearest percentage.

Are you sure about that? "The share of Technical Help declined from 12% from all usage in July 2024 to around 5% a year later – this may be because the use of LLMs for programming has grown very rapidly through the API (outside of ChatGPT), for AI assistance in code editing and for autonomous programming agents (e.g. Codex)." Looks like people moving to the API had a rather small effect. "[T]he three most common Chat…

gpt-5.1 is a model. It is not an application, like ChatGPT. I didn't say that personal requests were 0% of ChatGPT usage.

If we are talking about a new model release I want to talk about models, not applications.

The number of input tokens that OpenAI models are processing accross all delivery methods (OpenAI's own APIs, Azure) dwarf the number of input tokens that are coming from people asking the ChatGPT app for personal advice. It isn't close.

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