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GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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What we really desperately need is more context pruning from these LLMs. The ability to pull irrelevant parts of the context window as a task is brought into focus.

Working on that. hopefully release it by week's end. i'll send you a message when ready.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Since Claude and OpenAI made it clear they will be retaining all of my prompts, I have mostly stopped using them. I should probably cancel my MAX subscriptions. Instead I'm running big open source models and they are good enough for ~90% of tasks. The main exceptions are Deep Research (though I swear it was better when I could choose o3) and tougher coding tasks (sonnet 4.5)

Source? You can opt out of training, and delete history, do they keep the prompts somehow?!

1. Anthropic pushed a change to their terms where now I have to opt out or my data will be retained for 5 years and trained on. They have shown that they will change their terms, so I cannot trust them.

2. OpenAI is run by someone who already shows he will go to great lengths to deceive and cannot be trusted, and are embroiled in a battle with the New York Times that is "forcing them" to retain all user prompts. Totally against their will.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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All the examples of "warmer" generations show that OpenAI's definition of warmer is synonymous with sycophantic , which is a surprise given all the criticism against that particular aspect of ChatGPT. I suspect this approach is a direct response to the backlash against removing 4o.

It is interesting. I don't need ChatGPT to say "I got you, Jason" - but I don't think I'm the target user of this behavior.

Indeed, target users are people seeking validation + kids and teenagers + people with a less developed critical mind. Stickiness with 90% of the population is valuable for Sam.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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All the examples of "warmer" generations show that OpenAI's definition of warmer is synonymous with sycophantic , which is a surprise given all the criticism against that particular aspect of ChatGPT. I suspect this approach is a direct response to the backlash against removing 4o.

It is interesting. I don't need ChatGPT to say "I got you, Jason" - but I don't think I'm the target user of this behavior.

The target users for this behavior are the ones using GPT as a replacement for social interactions; these are the people who crashed out/broke down about the GPT5 changes as though their long-term romantic partner had dumped them out of nowhere and ghosted them.

I get that those people were distraught/emotionally devastated/upset about the change, but I think that fact is reason enough not to revert that behavior. AI is not a person, and making it "warmer" and "more conversational" just reinforces those unhealthy behaviors. ChatGPT should be focused on being direct and succinct, and not on this sort of "I understand that must be very frustrating for you, let me see what I can do to resolve this" call center support agent speak.

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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All the examples of "warmer" generations show that OpenAI's definition of warmer is synonymous with sycophantic , which is a surprise given all the criticism against that particular aspect of ChatGPT. I suspect this approach is a direct response to the backlash against removing 4o.

Id have more appreciation and trust in an llm that disagreed with me more and challenged my opinions or prior beliefs. The sycophancy drives me towards not trusting anything it says.

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Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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I don't want a more conversational GPT. I want the _exact_ opposite. I want a tool with the upper limit of "conversation" being something like LCARS from Star Trek. This is quite disappointing as a current ChatGPT subscriber.

I think they get way more "engagement" from people who use it as their friend, and the end goal of subverting social media and creating the most powerful (read: profitable) influence engine on earth makes a lot of sense if you are a soulless ghoul.

It would be pretty dystopian when we get to the point where ChatGPT pushed (unannounced) advertisements to those people (the ones forming a parasocial relationship with it). Imagine someone complaining they're depressed and ChatGPT proposing doing XYZ activity which is actually a disguised ad.

Other than such scenarios, that "engagement" would be just useless and actually costing them more money than it makes

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Id have more appreciation and trust in an llm that disagreed with me more and challenged my opinions or prior beliefs. The sycophancy drives me towards not trusting anything it says.

Just set a global prompt to tell it what kind of tone to take. I did that and it points out flaws in my arguments or data all the time. Plus it no longer uses any cutesy language. I don't feel like I'm talking to an AI "personality", I feel like I'm talking to a computer which has been instructed to be as objective and neutral as possible. It's super-easy to change.

I have a global prompt that specifically tells it not to be sycophantic and to call me out when I'm wrong.

It doesn't work for me.

I've been using it for a couple months, and it's corrected me only once, and it still starts every response with "That's a very good question." I also included "never end a response with a question," and it just completely ingored that so it can do its "would you like me to..."

Re: GPT-5.1: A smarter, more conversational ChatGPT

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FYI ChatGPT has a “custom instructions” setting in the personalization setting where you can ask it to lay off the idiotic insincere flattery. I recently added this: > Do not compliment me for asking a smart or insightful question. Directly give the answer. And I’ve not been annoyed since. I bet that whatever crap they layer on in 5.1 is undone as easily.

Also "Never apologize."
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