I don't want a more conversational GPT. I want the _exact_ opposite. I want a tool with the upper limit of "conversation" being something like LCARS from Star Trek. This is quite disappointing as a current ChatGPT subscriber.
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#12isn't that weird there are no benchmarks included on this release?
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#13All the examples of "warmer" generations show that OpenAI's definition of warmer is synonymous with sycophantic , which is a surprise given all the criticism against that particular aspect of ChatGPT. I suspect this approach is a direct response to the backlash against removing 4o.
You're absolutely right.
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#14Gemini 2.5 Pro is still my go to LLM of choice. Haven't used any OpenAI product since it released, and I don't see any reason why I should now.
Could you elaborate on your exp? I have been using gemini as well and its been pretty good for me too.
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#15All the examples of "warmer" generations show that OpenAI's definition of warmer is synonymous with sycophantic , which is a surprise given all the criticism against that particular aspect of ChatGPT. I suspect this approach is a direct response to the backlash against removing 4o.
Id have more appreciation and trust in an llm that disagreed with me more and challenged my opinions or prior beliefs. The sycophancy drives me towards not trusting anything it says.
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#16All the examples of "warmer" generations show that OpenAI's definition of warmer is synonymous with sycophantic , which is a surprise given all the criticism against that particular aspect of ChatGPT. I suspect this approach is a direct response to the backlash against removing 4o.
I was just saying to someone in the office I’d prefer the models to be a bit harsher of my questions and more opinionated, I can cope.
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#17Cool. Now get to work!
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#18Gemini 2.5 Pro is still my go to LLM of choice. Haven't used any OpenAI product since it released, and I don't see any reason why I should now.
I would use it exclusively if Google released a native Mac app.
I spend 75% of my time in Codex CLI and 25% in the Mac ChatGPT app. The latter is important enough for me to not ditch GPT and I'm honestly very pleased with Codex.
My API usage for software I build is about 90% Gemini though. Again their API is lacking compared to OpenAI's (productization, etc.) but the model wins hands down.
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#19Gemini 2.5 Pro is still my go to LLM of choice. Haven't used any OpenAI product since it released, and I don't see any reason why I should now.
Could you elaborate on your exp? I have been using gemini as well and its been pretty good for me too.
Not GP, but I imagine because going back and fourth to compare them is a waste of time if Gemini works well enough and ChatGPT keeps going through an identity crisis.
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#20All the examples of "warmer" generations show that OpenAI's definition of warmer is synonymous with sycophantic , which is a surprise given all the criticism against that particular aspect of ChatGPT. I suspect this approach is a direct response to the backlash against removing 4o.
It seems like the line between sycophantic and bullying is very thin.