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Chrome 22 breaks things

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Re: Chrome 22 breaks things

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Those are all webkit based browsers, so it seems normal that they'd all behave the same.

Well they did not. Until Chrome changed the behavior to comply with http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/zindex.html

The CSS 2.1 spec was last updated in 2011 and does not include any mention of this new stacking context behavior (which was only proposed on the CSS mailing list in May 2012 and has not yet made it into any spec).

Re: Chrome 22 breaks things

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How much content does this break? Was this discussed on one of the public mailing lists? If so, does anyone have a link to some relevant discussion? (I would love to hear the various positions regarding breaking existing content to bring an optimization used by browsers people generally consider to render things weirdly to all browsers.)

This was proposed here on the CSS WG public mailing list: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012May/0473.h...

Yes, and no one other than WebKit folks seemed to feel it was particularly warranted. Which makes this deliberate spec violation all the more interesting to me. Nothing like sabotaging the standards process by deliberately trying to force the issue in the field when you fail to convince people as part of that process.

Re: Chrome 22 breaks things

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Those are all webkit based browsers, so it seems normal that they'd all behave the same.

Well they did not. Until Chrome changed the behavior to comply with http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/zindex.html

No, they changed it to no longer comply with that spec, actually. Please do read the spec, not assume it says what the "html5rocks" marketing folks want it to say.

Re: Chrome 22 breaks things

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I've been seeing color abberations in text since my PC updated to Chrome 22. Most noticeable has been blue links showing up with a purple tint -- significantly different from the color showing in the Inspector. It's browser-wide, with extensions disabled -- I first noticed the change in link color on a Reddit comment thread, then saw it on Google Plus and my own website as well. http://i.imgur.com/Wjay2.png Has anyon…

+1 This is probably very very subtle for most people to notice, but I'm seeing aswell and it's bugging me to no end. I'm pretty sure even the colors in the developer tools are off.

At first I thought it was just me seeing things, but surely enough a side by side comparison with firefox (15) revealed otherwise: http://i.imgur.com/N29QC.png

Re: Chrome 22 breaks things

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Enterprise apps using IE have 1/100 of the design complexity of sites that are affected by these changes.

Some of the most advanced CSS and Javascript I have seen for the first time in Enterprise apps. I first saw xmlhttprequest in a Cognos controller, I first saw drag+drop in a browser in another enterprise app. the Outlook web interface was miles ahead of anything in the consumer space for years.

Indeed. We basically wrote our own version of jQuery, backbone.js and a whole functional toolkit with 150 functions and 30 client side controls and a validation framework about 5 years ago and it even worked on IE 5.5...

Re: Chrome 22 breaks things

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No not at all. Most of the LOB applications you see these days work very well in most browsers. Ours works in Firefox, Chrome, IE, Safari perfectly and is entirely plugin free. I've not seen an ActiveX for about 5 years and that was a file upload control. All our fugly desktop integration is done with a broker application which runs on the user's machine and talks to local COM objects via web services. You see an occ…

What is your experience based on? I've been working with some large enterprises in the past (50k+ employees), all of them only use IE and all of them are full with some crappy ActiveX software, some by HP, some homegrown, it's really full of that crap. :( Even software that would support multi-platform is crippled in a way that only Windows+IE works, because in the projects noone cares if some other browser or (god f…

European finance, insurance, banking, news agencies, e-commerce and market research companies. We're talking large companies on the same scale.

Re: Chrome 22 breaks things

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What is your experience based on? I've been working with some large enterprises in the past (50k+ employees), all of them only use IE and all of them are full with some crappy ActiveX software, some by HP, some homegrown, it's really full of that crap. :( Even software that would support multi-platform is crippled in a way that only Windows+IE works, because in the projects noone cares if some other browser or (god f…

European finance, insurance, banking, news agencies, e-commerce and market research companies. We're talking large companies on the same scale.

In my experience those kind of companies are heavily involved with big players like MS, HP, etc. who all push their own proprietary crap. Bundle this with a "we don't allow employees to install other browers so why should we care/test/develop for other technologies? We can even assume every PC has ActiveX installed and ready, so hell yeah let's use that!"

Re: Chrome 22 breaks things

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Are those problems really specific to enterprise software?

This "Enterprise Software" label doesn't make sense at all, anyway.

Trust me, it does. It means "business software which sucks to an incomprehensible degree."
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