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Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Zuck is definitely an idiot and MSL is an expensive joke, but LeCun hasn’t been relevant in a decade at this point. No doubt his pitch deck will be the same garbage slides he’s been peddling in every talk since the 2010’s.

Yeah such an idiot, the youngest ever self made billionaire at 23, created a multi trillion dollar company from scratch in only 20 years.

Cool, and how many billions has he flushed down the toiled for his failed Metaverse and currently failing AI attempts? Rich doesn't mean smart, you realise this right?

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah honestly I'm with the LLM people here If you think LLMs are not the future then you need to come with something better If you have a theoretical idea that's great, but take to at least GPT2 level first before writing off LLMs Theoretical people love coming up with "better ideas" that fall flat or have hidden gotchas when they get to practical implementation As Linus says, "talk is cheap, show me the code".

LLM's are probably always going to be the fundamental interface, the problem they solved was related to the flexibility of human languages allowing us to have decent mimikry's. And while we've been able to approximate the world behind the words, it's just full of hallucinations because the AI's lack axiomatic systems beyond much manually constructed machinery. You can probably expand the capabilties by attaching to t…

> because the AI's lack axiomatic systems beyond much manually constructed machinery.

Oh god, that is massively under-selling their learning ability. These models are able to extract and reply with why jokes are funny without even knowing basic vocab, yet there are pure-code models out there with lingual rules baked in from day one which still struggle with basic grammar.

The _point_ of LLMs arguably is there ability to learn any pattern thrown at it with enough compute. With an exception to learning how logical processes work, and pure LLMs only see "time" in the sense of a paragraph begins and ends.

At the least they have taught computers, "how to language", which in regards to how to interact with a machine is a _huge_ step forward.

Unfortunately the financial incentives are split between agentic model usage (taking the idea of a computerised butler further), maximizing model memory and raw learning capacity (answering all problems at any time), and long-range consistency (longer ranges give better stable results due to a few reasons, but we're some way from seeing an LLM with a 128k experts and 10e18 active tokens).

I think in terms of building the perfect monkey butler we already have most or all of the parts. With regard to a model which can dynamically learn on the fly... LLMs are not the end of the story and we need something to allow the models to more closely tie their LS with the context. Frankly the fact that DeepSeek gave us an LLM with LS was a huge leap since previous model attempts had been overly complex and had failed in training.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Zuck is definitely an idiot and MSL is an expensive joke, but LeCun hasn’t been relevant in a decade at this point. No doubt his pitch deck will be the same garbage slides he’s been peddling in every talk since the 2010’s.

LeCun has already proved himself and made his mark and is now in a lucky position where he can focus on very long term goals that won't pay off for a long time (or ever). I feel like that is the best path someone like him could take.

Yes, he did a very important thing many decades ago. He hasn't had a good or impactful idea since convnets.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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I wonder, what LeCun wants to do is more fundamental research, i.e. where the timeline to being useful is much longer, maybe 5-10 years at least, and also much more uncertain.

How does this fit together with a startup? Would investors happily invest into this knowing not to expect anything in return for at least the next 5-10 years?

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Zuck is definitely an idiot and MSL is an expensive joke, but LeCun hasn’t been relevant in a decade at this point. No doubt his pitch deck will be the same garbage slides he’s been peddling in every talk since the 2010’s.

why do you say it is garbage ? I watched some of its videos on YT and it looks interesting. I can't judge if it's good or really good, but that didn't sound like garbage at all.

does any of it work?

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain this “world model” concept to me? How do you actually interface with a model like this?

He is one of these people who think that humans have a direct experience of reality not mediated by as Alan Kay put it three pounds of oatmeal. So he thinks a language model can not be a world model. Despite our own contact with reality being mediated through a myriad of filters and fun house mirror distortions. Our vision transposes left and right and delivers images to our nerves upside down, for gawd’s sake. He im…

Isn't this idea demonstrably false due to the existence of various sensory disorders too?

I have a disorder characterised by the brain failing to filter own its own sensory noise, my vision is full of analogue TV-like distortion and other artefacts. Sometimes when it's bad I can see my brain constructing an image in real time rather than this perception happening instantaneously, particularly when I'm out walking. A deer becomes a bundle of sticks becomes a muddy pile of rocks (what it actually is) for example over the space of seconds. This to me is pretty strong evidence we do not experience reality directly, and instead construct our perceptions predictively from whatever is to hand.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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I am in the "Yann is no longer the right person for the job" camp and I yet "LeCun failed to deliver anything that delivered real value to stockholders" is a wild thing to say. How do you read the list you compiled and say otherwise?

LLAMA sucks, that's the problem. Do you see value in it?

Pytorch, used by everyone, yet no real value to stockholders, META even "fired" the creator of pytorch days ago.

SAM is great, what value does it bring to META business? Nobody knows about it. Great tool BTW.

JEPA is a failure (will it get better? I hope so.)

Did you read my list?

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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post #29

Zuck is definitely an idiot and MSL is an expensive joke, but LeCun hasn’t been relevant in a decade at this point. No doubt his pitch deck will be the same garbage slides he’s been peddling in every talk since the 2010’s.

I have no idea why this fair assessment of the status quo is being downvoted.

LeCun hasn't produced anything noteworthy in the past decade.

He uses the same slides in all of his presentations.

LLMs, while not yet AGI, have shown tremendous progress, and are actually useful for 99% of use cases for the average person.

The remaining 1% is for deep research into the deep unknown (physics, chemistry, genetics, diseases, the nature of intelligence itself), an area in which they falter.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Making LeCun report to Wang was the most boneheaded move imaginable. But… I suppose Zuckerberg knows what he wants, which is AI slopware and not truly groundbreaking foundation models.

What does Meta even want with AI?

I suppose they could solve superintelligence and cure cancer and build fusion reactors with it, but that's 100% outside their comfort zone - if they manage to build synthethic conversation partners and synthethic content generators as good or better than the real thing the value of having every other human on the planet registered to one of their social network goes to zero.

Which is impossible anyway - I facebook to maintain real human connections and keep up with people who I care about, not to consume infinite content.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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post #88

Making LeCun report to Wang was the most boneheaded move imaginable. But… I suppose Zuckerberg knows what he wants, which is AI slopware and not truly groundbreaking foundation models.

Zuck hired John Carmack and got nothing of it On the other hand, it was only lecunn avoiding meta to go 100p evil creepy mode too

Carmack laid the foundation for the all-in-one VR headsets.
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