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Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

tinco wrote: post #10
gnaman wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is also not very interested in LLMs, and that seems to be Zuck's top priority.

Yeah I think LeCun is underestimating the impact that LLM's and Diffusion models are going to have, even considering the huge impact they're already having. That's no problem as I'm sure whatever LeCun is working on is going to be amazing as well, but an enterprise like Facebook can't have their top researcher work on risky things when there's surefire paths to success still available.

Hard to tell.

The last time LeCun disagreed with the AI mainstream was when he kept working on neural net when everyone thought it was a dead end. He might be entirely right in his LLM scepticism. It's hardly a surefire path. He didn't prevent Meta from working on LLM anyway.

The issue is more than his position is not compatible with short term investors expectations and that's fatal in a company like Meta at the position LeCun occupies.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by garyclarke27 »

sebmellen wrote: post #2

Making LeCun report to Wang was the most boneheaded move imaginable. But… I suppose Zuckerberg knows what he wants, which is AI slopware and not truly groundbreaking foundation models.

Zuck did this on purpose, humiliating LeCun so he would leave. Despite LeCun being proved wrong on LLMs capabilities such as reasoning, he remained extremely negative, not exactly inspiring leadership to the Meta Ai team, he had to go.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by vintermann »

siva7 wrote: post #48
jll29 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I politely disagree - it is exactly an industry researcher's purpose to do the risky things that may not work, simply because the rest of the corporation cannot take such risks but must walk on more well-trodden paths. Corporate R&D teams are there to absorb risk, innovate, disrupt, create new fields, not for doing small incremental improvements. "If we know it works, it's not research." (Albert Einstein) I also agre…

> it is exactly a researcher's purpose to do the risky things that may not work Maybe at university, but not at a trillion dollar company. That job as chief scientist is leading risky things that will work to please the shareholders.

They knew what Yann LeCun was when they hired him. If anything, those brilliant academics who have done what they're told and loyally pursued corporate objectives the way the corporation wanted (e.g. Karpathy when he was at Tesla) haven't had great success either.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

_giorgio_ wrote: post #77

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> LeCun failed to deliver anything that delivered real value to stockholders

Well, no, Meta is behind the main framework used by nearly anyone largely thanks to LeCun. LLaMA was also very significant in making open weight a thing and that largely contributed to avoiding Google and OpenAI consolidating as the sole providers.

It's not a perfect tenure but implying he didn't deliver anything is far too harsh.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by ktta »

bigtones wrote: post #5

Fi Fi Lee also recently founded a new AI startup called World Labs, which focus on creating AI world models with spatial intelligence to understand and interact with the 3D world, unlike current LLM AI that primarily processes 2D images and text. Almost exactly the same focus as Yann LeCun's new venture stated in the parent article.

*Fei-Fei Li

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by garyclarke27 »

ml-anon wrote: post #29

Zuck is definitely an idiot and MSL is an expensive joke, but LeCun hasn’t been relevant in a decade at this point. No doubt his pitch deck will be the same garbage slides he’s been peddling in every talk since the 2010’s.

Yeah such an idiot, the youngest ever self made billionaire at 23, created a multi trillion dollar company from scratch in only 20 years.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by dude250711 »

ACCount37 wrote: post #74
sebmellen wrote: post #2

Making LeCun report to Wang was the most boneheaded move imaginable. But… I suppose Zuckerberg knows what he wants, which is AI slopware and not truly groundbreaking foundation models.

That was obviously him getting sidelined. And it's easy to see why. LLMs get results. None of the Yann LeCun's pet projects do. He had ample time to prove that his approach is promising, and he didn't.

There is someone else at Facebook who's pet projects do not get results...

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by motbus3 »

sebmellen wrote: post #2

Making LeCun report to Wang was the most boneheaded move imaginable. But… I suppose Zuckerberg knows what he wants, which is AI slopware and not truly groundbreaking foundation models.

Zuck hired John Carmack and got nothing of it On the other hand, it was only lecunn avoiding meta to go 100p evil creepy mode too

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by koolala »

sebmellen wrote: post #30
numpy-thagoras wrote: post #15

Good. The world model is absolutely the right play in my opinion. AI Agents like LLMs make great use of pre-computed information. Providing a comprehensive but efficient world model (one where more detail is available wherever one is paying more attention given a specific task) will definitely eke out new autonomous agents. Swarms of these, acting in concert or with some hive mind, could be how we get to AGI. I wish…

Can you explain this “world model” concept to me? How do you actually interface with a model like this?

Ouija board would work for text.
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