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Re: I can build enterprise software but I can't charge for it

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I am not a lawyer or diplomat or expert on trade, but I can make some general observations from an American/Western perspective: First, the sanctions on Iran are such that any partnership with an Iranian person for business reasons is effectively impossible in the West, without the resources of a multi-million or billion-dollar company to circumvent them. The author says "I am not looking for anyone to bypass sanctio…

Thank you for this thoughtful response. You're raising legitimate concerns I may not fully understand. Let me clarify my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong): My assumption was that a structure like this would be legal: - Partner in US/UK registers their own company - Opens Stripe under their company name - Hires me as a remote contractor (like any distributed team) - I hold equity as a foreign sharehol…

Most of commenters in this thread are overcomplicating things and have no experience with gray area industries. What you need is Turkey, the UAE and Dubai. The payment stack however can be Chinese/middle eastern/eastern European. This is a fairly standard play for people of your background, from there you can bootstrap and then ultimately leverage yourself into a new citizenship (most commonly Canadian and Australian, or other places with easier citizenship by investment routes).

You are asking technologists in an English speaking forum targeting the American centric world. You should be enquiring with friends in the nearby Islamic countries. None of the problems you have encountered are new or have no solutions for. As a suggestion, look up the payment providers used by Pornhub (they are blacklisted by Visa and Mastercard) and that is a good starting point for you. Also look at where a lot of crypto platforms incorporate. There is a whole world outside of the Delaware Corp + Stripe Atlas game, but you certainly won't learn that from silicon valley forums.

I strongly suggest you don't let desperation drive you into a poor deal or enter yourself into a disadvantageous partnership. Take some time off to clear your head, and talk to people. Don't let the whole "product led growth" US centric sales strategy cloud your business decisions. In the rest of the world, B2B is not limited to MasterCard/Visa and most of the notion/stripe style credit card driven SaaS don't necessarily exist in the same way. For your type of product, you should be charging more too.

Also most importantly, make sure your bank account is in the middle east and avoid dealing with USD under any circumstance. If you have a foreign bank account in a less friendly jurisdiction, an overzealous compliance department can easily shut down your entire business.

Re: I can build enterprise software but I can't charge for it

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I am not a lawyer or diplomat or expert on trade, but I can make some general observations from an American/Western perspective: First, the sanctions on Iran are such that any partnership with an Iranian person for business reasons is effectively impossible in the West, without the resources of a multi-million or billion-dollar company to circumvent them. The author says "I am not looking for anyone to bypass sanctio…

Would Singapore work? English is quite widely spoken there and the tech scene is quite good.

I'm not sure. I can really only speak to the US and Canada.

If so, the first step would be to find a competent attorney in Singapore to advise.

The US embassy, for example, maintains a list of English-speaking attorneys in Singapore who may have relevant experience: https://sg.usembassy.gov/list-of-attorneys/

Re: I can build enterprise software but I can't charge for it

#43
post #27

I am not a lawyer or diplomat or expert on trade, but I can make some general observations from an American/Western perspective: First, the sanctions on Iran are such that any partnership with an Iranian person for business reasons is effectively impossible in the West, without the resources of a multi-million or billion-dollar company to circumvent them. The author says "I am not looking for anyone to bypass sanctio…

Thank you for this thoughtful response. You're raising legitimate concerns I may not fully understand. Let me clarify my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong): My assumption was that a structure like this would be legal: - Partner in US/UK registers their own company - Opens Stripe under their company name - Hires me as a remote contractor (like any distributed team) - I hold equity as a foreign sharehol…

> Partner in US/UK registers their own company - Opens Stripe under their company name - Hires me as a remote contractor (like any distributed team) - I hold equity as a foreign shareholder (which I thought was legal for non-US persons)

This structure clearly violates sanctions, yes.

The person opening the Stripe account in this case would be breaking the law and would be taking on the legal consequences of violating those sanctions.

Having another person act as a proxy for a business in a sanctioned country is unquestionably illegal, regardless of how you structure it. Equity agreements, remote contractor, handshake agreements, crypto payments, doesn't matter. Any arrangement like this is designed to avoid sanctions and violating sanctions is a big deal.

Re: I can build enterprise software but I can't charge for it

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post #41
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for this thoughtful response. You're raising legitimate concerns I may not fully understand. Let me clarify my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong): My assumption was that a structure like this would be legal: - Partner in US/UK registers their own company - Opens Stripe under their company name - Hires me as a remote contractor (like any distributed team) - I hold equity as a foreign sharehol…

Most of commenters in this thread are overcomplicating things and have no experience with gray area industries. What you need is Turkey, the UAE and Dubai. The payment stack however can be Chinese/middle eastern/eastern European. This is a fairly standard play for people of your background, from there you can bootstrap and then ultimately leverage yourself into a new citizenship (most commonly Canadian and Australian…

Turkey is not the biggest fan of Iran: https://www.worldecr.com/news/turkey-freezes-assets-of-irani...

but relations are certainly warmer than with e. g. the US.

Iran is not beloved by much of the Arabic-speaking world for cultural reasons, shared religion nonwithstanding.

Re: I can build enterprise software but I can't charge for it

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Me: I built this insane 3D multilingual AI avatar platform with real-time conversation, full enterprise stack, 47 languages, and Unreal Engine You: Can bypass US Treasury sanctions and open a Stripe account

A better analogy would be the "Trade Offer" meme where someone offers a share of the profits, but your offer is that you are willing to violate serious international sanctions.

Re: I can build enterprise software but I can't charge for it

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of commenters in this thread are overcomplicating things and have no experience with gray area industries. What you need is Turkey, the UAE and Dubai. The payment stack however can be Chinese/middle eastern/eastern European. This is a fairly standard play for people of your background, from there you can bootstrap and then ultimately leverage yourself into a new citizenship (most commonly Canadian and Australian…

Turkey is not the biggest fan of Iran: https://www.worldecr.com/news/turkey-freezes-assets-of-irani... but relations are certainly warmer than with e. g. the US. Iran is not beloved by much of the Arabic-speaking world for cultural reasons, shared religion nonwithstanding.

Don't confuse the greater geopolitics with business when it comes to the middle east. They are perfectly happy to work with small business people like OP.

Re: I can build enterprise software but I can't charge for it

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I feel for this guy, I really do.

I see comments like "is this a request to bypass sanctions" OR "he's iranian"

Let's remind ourselves of the following:

- First understand that he didn't choose to be born and raised in Iran.

- Second people grow up have families become attached to where they're born it's not easy to just 'pick up and leave' moving to a new country is expensive and extremely difficult especially from countries like Iran.

- Third he's building something he believes in which is probably better than most people who live in privileged countries who sit around and do nothing.

To me this reads like a plea for help.

He's built something and showing it to the world, if someone likes it and wants to fund him / get him out of Iran, so he can pursue his dreams AND have the people who help him benefit along with him. I'm sure he'll be all for that.

Re: I can build enterprise software but I can't charge for it

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I see a lot of negativity in this thread and I’m not sure why… There are a LOT of folks who prowl HN and some of them obviously have incredible access to resources and connections to figure out a way to accomplish if they were so inclined.

Yes there are obvious hurdles for people in “the west,” but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible. I think the most obvious question is, would the OP relocate to another country if they were able to get a work visa? If yes, then sufficiently connected people, could absolutely make that happen. It would also immediately fix the issues around export sanctions. That’s in no way saying anyone could make it happen, but I have zero doubt that someone who could prowls HN.

There are many ways to having this occur legally, and I think it’s a bit unfair to immediately say this is completely and utterly illegal with no possible way to make it work. If anything, I’d expect the folks who prowl HN to be the exact kind of people to find a way to do it (without violating sanctions or facing jail time).

Addendum: I personally think this is cool, but I lack the resources to tackle the immediate problems or help bring it to market. I’d encourage the rest of you to offer meaningfully critiques or advice. Simply shouting “sanctions!” into the ether is neither of those. Those are a given and based on the replies from the OP thus far (which have all been downvoted to hell for no reason) they seem incredibly sincere. They’re just trying to figure out what they even can do and/or what possibilities even exist.

Good luck to the OP. This seems like a labor of love and I hope you find a way to make it work.

Re: I can build enterprise software but I can't charge for it

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> Test it first: neoclerks.com/en > Go ahead. Talk to the avatar for 2 minutes. Ask it anything in English. Watch how it responds in real-time with synchronized lip movements and natural conversation. > I'll be here when you get back. As far as I can tell, there is no live demo. There is a button to "book a private demo", but I can't find anything to try. Second: Unfortunately, this is a request to partner with someo…

You're absolutely right, and I apologize for the confusion.

The demo is a single-session system (designed for hotel lobby kiosks where one person uses it at a time). If someone else is talking to the avatar when you visit, you won't see a QR code.

Here's a direct link you can try: https://ps.neoclerks.com:8451/player.html?ss=7591aecb-72d2-4...

If that's busy too, I'm happy to schedule a 15-min private demo. Email: EchenDeligani@gmail.com

This single-user limitation is product design (kiosk model) not technical - production handles 10-50 concurrent users per GPU. I should have explained this upfront and provided multiple demo instances for HN traffic.

My mistake - learning as I go here.

Re: I can build enterprise software but I can't charge for it

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> can't monetize this from Iran: > Stripe, PayPal, Western payment processors (sanctioned) > AWS, GCP, Azure (sanctioned) > Western bank account (sanctioned) > Credit card payments from customers (no processor works here)

Good. That's the whole point of economic sanctions.

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