Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

.NET MAUI is coming to Linux and the browser

avaloniaui.net

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

31–40 of 276 posts

Re: .NET MAUI is coming to Linux and the browser

#31

Post by afavour »

a2128 wrote: post #20
judah wrote: post #6

This is interesting for sure. Kudos for bringing this capability to the web! One issue the demos reveal is, it doesn't _feel_ like the web. That is, I can't hit Ctrl+F to find text on a page. I can't select text with my cursor. I can't copy the address of a hyperlink. On my phone, I can't hard press on an image and share it to others. Screen readers can't handle it. I can't press a shortcut key to make everything lar…

Not using the standard web stuff usually means it's also an accessibility nightmare, tried using a screen reader on the demo and it doesn't work at all unfortunately

I wonder if at any point browsers will offer a low level accessibility API for you to manually describe components. I’ve worked in the web for years and I’m a big believer but it’s also indisputable that Canvas offers more performant UI rendering than HTML when done correctly. I don’t think it should ever be used for web “documents” but web apps already bastardize HTML and CSS to achieve their aims anyway. Accessibility remains the missing component.

Re: .NET MAUI is coming to Linux and the browser

#32

Post by labrador »

keyle wrote: post #16
labrador wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft acts when it feels competitive pressure. I think Google's Flutter has been validated so Microsoft feels the need to respond.

Dart is a wonderful language though. I'm not switching back to using .NET anytime soon.

I love Dart, which I consider to be Google's C#. Either language is fine with me.

Re: .NET MAUI is coming to Linux and the browser

#34

Post by vjvjvjvjghv »

mattfrommars wrote: post #25

In the .NET ecosystem, I have noticed people to shame .NET MAUI because Microsoft themselves don't use this framework - Microsoft Team is built on Electron and not MAUI. Why build a product on MAUI when Microsoft aren't too sure about it.

That has been a problem since forever. Microsoft themselves rarely used the tools they gave to developers. SourceSafe, MFC, WPF and the .NET frameworks that followed were only for 3rd party devs. And when they used these tools, the software usually got worse. One example was Visual Studio. 2008 was really nice with great customization and good performance. Then they wrote 2010 with MFC and it was slow and lost tons of features.

I think it’s better on the server side with ASP.NET.

As far as I have heard MAUI is pretty buggy and has lost momentum. It will probably go on the long list of basically abandoned .NET UI frameworks

Re: .NET MAUI is coming to Linux and the browser

#35

Post by viraptor »

imcritic wrote: post #8

Is there anything we can do to stop it? Or will it come anyway?

You can make your own better system which supports GUI and provides a reasonable runtime that works on all current major platforms and provides development tools, years of ecosystem development, etc. etc.

If it's better than what MAUI provides and you can support it for years, I'm sure that could take over and many people would use it instead. But... will you and why?

Re: .NET MAUI is coming to Linux and the browser

#36

Post by malkia »

js4ever wrote: post #4

Too little, too late. Desktop apps are mostly dead.

Not in the industry I work in - AAA gamedev. Art folks typically would have two, or even three monitors - so good solutions for docking across them (and still working) are required.

A chrome browser by itself can't work that - it's great for many things, but not for Creative Tools.

Re: .NET MAUI is coming to Linux and the browser

#38

Post by BoorishBears »

judah wrote: post #6

This is interesting for sure. Kudos for bringing this capability to the web! One issue the demos reveal is, it doesn't _feel_ like the web. That is, I can't hit Ctrl+F to find text on a page. I can't select text with my cursor. I can't copy the address of a hyperlink. On my phone, I can't hard press on an image and share it to others. Screen readers can't handle it. I can't press a shortcut key to make everything lar…

Am I losing it or am I looking ClearType on OSX?!

I get the value in this and realize it's not for your polished -$500 ARPU consumer social apps, but man this is weird.

(Also if anyone who worked on it is here, it's crashing for me on OSX 26, Chrome 142.0.7444.135, if I run an animation and hit back as the animation finishes)

Re: .NET MAUI is coming to Linux and the browser

#40

Post by shakna »

afavour wrote: post #31
a2128 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not using the standard web stuff usually means it's also an accessibility nightmare, tried using a screen reader on the demo and it doesn't work at all unfortunately

I wonder if at any point browsers will offer a low level accessibility API for you to manually describe components. I’ve worked in the web for years and I’m a big believer but it’s also indisputable that Canvas offers more performant UI rendering than HTML when done correctly. I don’t think it should ever be used for web “documents” but web apps already bastardize HTML and CSS to achieve their aims anyway. Accessibil…

As far as standards is concerned, that API is ARIA [0].

W3C already offers guides for accessibility and canvas. But no one who opts for canvas turns around and remembers to do their landmarks.

Post reply on HN