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Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by alistairSH »

thw_9a83c wrote: post #29

From the article: > Otherwise, please make sure you de-Apple, de-Google, and de-American Stack yourself when you have time, clarity, and focus to do it. Start today. I don't understand the core of this advice. So if you're in the UK and do all the above, can you suddenly get similar E2EE cloud storage from a different provider without a UK government-mandated backdoor?

Of the major consumer tech companies, isn't Apple still the leader in terms of privacy? (yes, that's a low bar)

And, it's just ADP being affected by the UK mandates? What % of users bother enabling ADP? I probably should, but haven't bothered (am I being foolish?).

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by subscribed »

ungreased0675 wrote: post #224
thewebguyd wrote: post #138

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> but it's just so easy to fall into nationalistic prattle instead of fixing the real problem. Right. This, right now, is 100% a UK problem. De-Americanising your tech stack isn't going to fix the political issues domestically. Hence Apple pulling ADP out, they made the choice of not complying with the UK and not offering the service instead of compromising the service for everyone else in the world. UK citizens need…

Last time I was in the UK, the news (BBC) was bizarrely 90% American politics. Trump this, Trump did that, etc. People there knew American politicians better than the people who actually represent them.

Trump is a chum with Farage, far right con man and Putin's buddy.

For the reasons unknown BBC is *massively* promoting and platforming far right in the last few times (airtime, framing of the events, promoting party lines as facts, etc).

So Trump in the BBC might be considered beneficial to the far right. This would explain it.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by sambeau »

swiftcoder wrote: post #350
mistercheph wrote: post #331

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yeah guys, we don’t win by using free and open technologies, we win if we all buy {NAMECORP} devices, that’s true victory right there, backed by a real warranty, that’s what grandma wants

If you have a free and open technology that is sufficiently user-friendly that grandma isn't going to lose all her photos, I'm all ears

I turnips were watches, I'd wear one by my side.

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Post by ulrikrasmussen »

hk1337 wrote: post #341
zmmmmm wrote: post #227

I know this is a tangent but honestly, this is why the Google decision to de-openify Android is insane even from Google's point of view. Who would want to be an iron clad gate keeper when the world is descending into authoritarianism? You just paint a giant target on your back for the authoritarians to come after. If Apple had supported open iCloud alternatives for backup and other services from day one, it woudn't e…

This whole idea of conflating a closed system like Apple has created with authoritarianism is silly. If anything authoritarianism is the UK trying to force Apple to open up (so they exploit it to monitor their citizens). Apple created a product, not just the iPhone but a whole ecosystem that’s supposed to help the user feel secure. There’s isn’t the only product out there and as long as they’re not preventing new com…

They're not conflating them, they are pointing out that the closedness of the system and the control it gives Apple will be a useful tool to authoritarians who can force Apple to exert their power in certain ways.

Everyone who is not a public service is just "making a product", but when your product is actually half of all endpoints for digital services and communication and you insist on not handing control to the users, then you effectively control half the infrastructure.

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

sayamqazi wrote: post #279
raincole wrote: post #209

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> And the passphrase is: at 5,21 which is the 5th line on page 21 of your favorite book Yeah, it's one of those things that you'll forget in N years. That's exactly what prompted "where do you keep secret.txt" question.

Some people are lucky with memory that works extremely well with numbers. My memory is average but when it comes to numbers, I remember serial numbers of certain products, enrollment numbers etc from more than a decade ago. HP-L170 (A monitor I bought) QW4HD-DQCRG-HM64M-6GJRK-8K83T (Windows XP key) 10396-9 (My enrollment number for board exam) I remember a bunch of long-ago-abandoned phone numbers as well.

>>My memory is average but when it comes to numbers...

Where I live, memorizing a 25 char alphanumeric is not average. It's not more, either.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

rob_c wrote: post #377
Aachen wrote: post #356

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My (grand)parents like their FOSS launcher, gallery, and chat client just fine. I've had zero questions about how Signal works, but a bunch about how to deal with the OS' pre-installed garbage spawning notifications about this or that update. They can't tell the difference between an advertisement pushed by some commercial app they want and a smartwatch firmware update notification From my POV, it's the commercial so…

tell me, did they install and set this up themselves or you?

Did you have to state that as a question? (I obviously install even FB and Watsapp in there)

It's unthinkable to setup a phone with whatsapp and fb here. When meta had a BGP problem, they (the older ones) asked me why there was "no internet"

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by prmoustache »

ramon156 wrote: post #349
panja wrote: post #338

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In some instances, nextcloud is better than icloud

You're comparing on-demand-cloud with setup-your-own-server-and-configure-everything-yourself-cloud Those are two different markets

Only a small fraction of nextcloud users setup their own servers.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by skeezyjefferson »

benoau wrote: post #36
codexb wrote: post #28

Sounds more like people need to de-UK. It's going to be a problem with any company or technology.

It's more likely to be a problem with Apple (and Google) because they have put themselves in a position where they are a gateway to everybody . There are multitudes of online storage providers outside of the UK's reach and jurisdiction but 0% of iPhone users back up to them because of technical limitations that inhibit iCloud competitors or any compatible storage solution.

> because of technical limitations that inhibit iCloud competitors or any compatible storage solution.

ah thats not quite true is it now?

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