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I refuse to date someone who uses ChatGPT

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Re: I refuse to date someone who uses ChatGPT

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Post by esfandia »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #17
scosman wrote: post #7

This feels so much like 90s Wikipedia criticism. There are lousy and lazy ways to use LLMs. There are also enlightening and powerful ways. Find someone curious who will explore them. Don't date people who habitually fight anything new.

"Habitually fighting anything new" is nonpolitical conservatism. It's not my stance but it's a pretty valid one, long recognized. There is social value in having people and groups who reject all changes regardless of their apparent merit or sophistication. You can't trick or swindle them, they can't be fooled or persuaded. It provides a counter to the incentives pushing us to change too fast, or without understanding…

Yeah, it's a case of "don't let the perfect be the enemy of good". The conservative stance is happy with the status quo. The progressive stance isn't. We probably need a bit of both. Finding the right balance being key.

Re: I refuse to date someone who uses ChatGPT

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Post by cgriswald »

prmoustache wrote: post #11
Bender wrote: post #5

While I am not a fan of the current LLM's and I consider myself an independent thinker I would also not be interested in someone shallow enough to care about it that much. She's probably never had a long term relationship and I do not envy anyone that ends up with her.

I think everybody uses clues as warning sign. I can safely say that heavy vocal[1] chatGPT users tend to be of the very boring type from my own statistics. Emphasis on heavy AND vocal. [1] by that I mean those that keep saying everyone around them they ask chatGPT or you should ask chatGPT for whatever is the subject of the conversation.

I’m not sure that is a clue so much as actual boring behavior.

I think using shortcuts as a warning sign is okay but the author here uses it as a hard filter. She lacks curiosity. She doesn’t ask the groom why he chose that venue. She didn’t ask how he used ChatGPT. She just cared that he heard about it from ChatGPT rather than what… from an ad in a wedding magazine? A google search? Asking friends? Hiring a planner? That lack of curiosity makes her look like a crap journalist and drives her delusional shortcut, probably to her own detriment.

Re: I refuse to date someone who uses ChatGPT

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Post by palmotea »

scosman wrote: post #7

This feels so much like 90s Wikipedia criticism. There are lousy and lazy ways to use LLMs. There are also enlightening and powerful ways. Find someone curious who will explore them. Don't date people who habitually fight anything new.

> This feels so much like 90s Wikipedia criticism.

Wikipedia didn't start until 2001. There was no 90s Wikipedia criticism. It didn't exist.

Re: I refuse to date someone who uses ChatGPT

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Post by palmotea »

jhack wrote: post #3

"A good friend recently told me that she spent a night with a man, and in the morning suggested they get breakfast together. He took out his phone, opened ChatGPT, and asked for restaurant suggestions. Why get close to someone who outsources decisions, including the fun ones like picking where to eat?" Same logic applies to using Google, I guess? Or any mapping app? How about Yelp?

> Same logic applies to using Google, I guess? Or any mapping app? How about Yelp?

Not necessarily. The same logic would apply if you were just robotically using Google user ratings (e.g. "this is nearby and it has 5 stars, lets go there"), but it wouldn't if you looked through the results and used some taste, judgement, and experience.

Re: I refuse to date someone who uses ChatGPT

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Post by rpdillon »

palmotea wrote: post #44
jhack wrote: post #3

"A good friend recently told me that she spent a night with a man, and in the morning suggested they get breakfast together. He took out his phone, opened ChatGPT, and asked for restaurant suggestions. Why get close to someone who outsources decisions, including the fun ones like picking where to eat?" Same logic applies to using Google, I guess? Or any mapping app? How about Yelp?

> Same logic applies to using Google, I guess? Or any mapping app? How about Yelp? Not necessarily. The same logic would apply if you were just robotically using Google user ratings (e.g. "this is nearby and it has 5 stars, lets go there"), but it wouldn't if you looked through the results and used some taste, judgement, and experience.

There seems to be this assumption that if you ask AI for input, somehow you've turned into a slave that isn't capable of critiquing its response and integrating it into a larger decision-making process.

Why do people make that assumption? That would be the dumbest possible way to use AI.

Re: I refuse to date someone who uses ChatGPT

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Post by rpdillon »

supportengineer wrote: post #15
catlifeonmars wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it shows someone who is incapable of using Yelp or Google :P

I am familiar with both of those, and I sometimes ask ChatGPT because I am curious what it will come up with. I am curious to see if it comes up with something surprising or unexpected . Perhaps the man in question is a thoughtful and curious person who was utilizing all of the resources available to him to provide a great experience to someone he cared about.

This take strongly resonates with my own attitude about AI use.

Re: I refuse to date someone who uses ChatGPT

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Post by hanoian »

The author doesn't seem to understand how much "intelligent thinking" is used in all the other apps she undoubtedly uses. Her maps app decides the best route and I'm sure she blindly follows it. That is outsourcing the decision on what roads to take. Skyscanner decides what flights to take. Google's Restaurants near me is similar. A lot of what we read, including her article, come to use through algorithms, not significantly different from an LLM. If you read anything from FB/Insta etc., you have outsourced what will come next in your feed.

This is an author who simply does not understand how people actually use LLMs. She thinks it is a recommendation engine because her only use of it was to type Google searches into it. The chat interface encourages this sort of short question so I cannot really blame people who don't know you can enter enter tens of thousands of words.

I have colleagues who use it like this, and one who has proudly never used it at all. I politely congratulate him on this when he brings it up because I know it is very important to him for whatever reason, but it is meaningless, like someone proudly saying they haven't used Google Maps. He is apparently the only person I know who the author could date, and his ego as a lover of writing is so important to him that he eschews technology to protect himself.

Re: I refuse to date someone who uses ChatGPT

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Post by catlifeonmars »

supportengineer wrote: post #15
catlifeonmars wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it shows someone who is incapable of using Yelp or Google :P

I am familiar with both of those, and I sometimes ask ChatGPT because I am curious what it will come up with. I am curious to see if it comes up with something surprising or unexpected . Perhaps the man in question is a thoughtful and curious person who was utilizing all of the resources available to him to provide a great experience to someone he cared about.

I suppose that’s a more charitable assessment. I will say I’m salty because whenever I’ve seen it used, it’s to avoid doing research and avoid understanding a problem. Anecdata, but in my day job, I see people accepting the first plausible answer to a problem and walking away with at most a surface level understanding. Curiosity would be digging deeper and looking at the problem from multiple angles.

Re: I refuse to date someone who uses ChatGPT

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Post by exsomet »

rpdillon wrote: post #45
palmotea wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Same logic applies to using Google, I guess? Or any mapping app? How about Yelp? Not necessarily. The same logic would apply if you were just robotically using Google user ratings (e.g. "this is nearby and it has 5 stars, lets go there"), but it wouldn't if you looked through the results and used some taste, judgement, and experience.

There seems to be this assumption that if you ask AI for input, somehow you've turned into a slave that isn't capable of critiquing its response and integrating it into a larger decision-making process. Why do people make that assumption? That would be the dumbest possible way to use AI.

One of the major stories from the rise of AI tooling was when people cooked a recipe that included glue.

I don’t think it’s unfair to assume some non-trivial percentage of people use these tools in a very dumb way.

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