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Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by BirAdam »

encom wrote: post #47
reboot81 wrote: post #11

Apple obeys the law. Policians set the law. You vote for politicians. So nu, it makes no sense to blame Apple here.

England has been speedrunning the dystopian surveillance police state for a while now, through numerous governments. Voting is pointless. Same (but different) in Denmark where politicians vote to give themselves more money[1], snoop on everything[2], violate our constitution unpunished[3], delete evidence of corruption[4], open the borders[5], etc. etc. etc. I used to care - a lot - I really did. But I'm done. [1] ht…

In general, if voting had the power to change much, it would be illegal. Rulers allow voting to change a few things, but never the things that benefit themselves.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by [deleted] »

disambiguation wrote: post #83
thw_9a83c wrote: post #29

From the article: > Otherwise, please make sure you de-Apple, de-Google, and de-American Stack yourself when you have time, clarity, and focus to do it. Start today. I don't understand the core of this advice. So if you're in the UK and do all the above, can you suddenly get similar E2EE cloud storage from a different provider without a UK government-mandated backdoor?

# Encrypt a file openssl enc -aes-256-cbc -salt -in secret.txt -out secret.enc # Decrypt openssl enc -d -aes-256-cbc -in secret.enc -out secret.txt Wow that was hard.

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Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by lawlessone »

thw_9a83c wrote: post #29

From the article: > Otherwise, please make sure you de-Apple, de-Google, and de-American Stack yourself when you have time, clarity, and focus to do it. Start today. I don't understand the core of this advice. So if you're in the UK and do all the above, can you suddenly get similar E2EE cloud storage from a different provider without a UK government-mandated backdoor?

>when you have time, clarity, and focus to do it.

i thought this a joke, lol

Re: Time to start de-Appling

#104

Post by omnicognate »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #100
omnicognate wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can encrypt anything and store it in anything that provides storage. Why are people acting like "end to end encryption" is a feature you need a cloud service to provide to you. Rather the opposite - it's really something you can only do yourself.

And you must then give the password to your data. https://thblegal.com/news/can-i-be-prosecuted-for-failing-to... https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/in-edicola/articoli/2025/01... etc.

In the extremely unlikely event that I'm compelled to by a judge, yes. Or if someone chooses to beat me with five dollar wrench, of course. And even then A) it can't happen without my knowledge and B) I have the option of refusing and bearing the consequences.

I didn't say it solves every problem, just that it's the only way to have proper end-to-end encryption.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

#105

Post by radlad »

disambiguation wrote: post #83
thw_9a83c wrote: post #29

From the article: > Otherwise, please make sure you de-Apple, de-Google, and de-American Stack yourself when you have time, clarity, and focus to do it. Start today. I don't understand the core of this advice. So if you're in the UK and do all the above, can you suddenly get similar E2EE cloud storage from a different provider without a UK government-mandated backdoor?

# Encrypt a file openssl enc -aes-256-cbc -salt -in secret.txt -out secret.enc # Decrypt openssl enc -d -aes-256-cbc -in secret.enc -out secret.txt Wow that was hard.

Yeesh, this seems like a good example of the fact that a feature (encrypting a file) is not a product (an E2E encrypted storage solution.)

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by encom »

graemep wrote: post #86
encom wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

England has been speedrunning the dystopian surveillance police state for a while now, through numerous governments. Voting is pointless. Same (but different) in Denmark where politicians vote to give themselves more money[1], snoop on everything[2], violate our constitution unpunished[3], delete evidence of corruption[4], open the borders[5], etc. etc. etc. I used to care - a lot - I really did. But I'm done. [1] ht…

Might come across as pedantic, but its important, "the UK" not "England". Confusing the two can upset people, especially those from the rest of the UK. Personally I do not think its just the UK and Denmark, its pretty much everywhere.

I specified England because I don't know what's going on in the rest of the Kingdom. Might be just as bad, I dunno.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

#108

Post by j45 »

amelius wrote: post #95
codexb wrote: post #28

Sounds more like people need to de-UK. It's going to be a problem with any company or technology.

It's an Apple problem, because with libre tools you can run your own software to circumvent this law.

The majority of apple and android users can't run their own libre software, until libre software is as easy and seamless to use as the comparables.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

#109

Post by surgical_fire »

De-appling is easy. I just don't have anything from them. Apart from the work laptop, but that is a problem for my employer, not me.

De-googling however is extremely hard. I have been slowly chipping away at it, but there are things I just have no decent option to (such as Waze and Android Auto).

Android itself is another problem. I have high hopes for a Graphene device.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

#110

Post by ubermonkey »

reboot81 wrote: post #11

Apple obeys the law. Policians set the law. You vote for politicians. So nu, it makes no sense to blame Apple here.

Did you read the article? She doesn't blame Apple.

Sixth paragraph: "But I will say that the shutdown of ADP is Apple being on the right side of the geopolitical fight, as inconvenient as that may be to you and me."

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