Apple obeys the law. Policians set the law. You vote for politicians. So nu, it makes no sense to blame Apple here.
> Apple obeys the law
No, they don't:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45854441
Time to start de-Appling
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Re: Time to start de-Appling
#82Just to clarify, she's advocating people stop using Apple, quite literally the only big tech company with a slightly better focus on privacy compared to all the others and with a reputation for saying no to the latest authoritarian power grab by the UK government?
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#83From the article: > Otherwise, please make sure you de-Apple, de-Google, and de-American Stack yourself when you have time, clarity, and focus to do it. Start today. I don't understand the core of this advice. So if you're in the UK and do all the above, can you suddenly get similar E2EE cloud storage from a different provider without a UK government-mandated backdoor?
# Encrypt a file
openssl enc -aes-256-cbc -salt -in secret.txt -out secret.enc
# Decrypt openssl enc -d -aes-256-cbc -in secret.enc -out secret.txt
Wow that was hard.
Re: Time to start de-Appling
#84From the article: > Otherwise, please make sure you de-Apple, de-Google, and de-American Stack yourself when you have time, clarity, and focus to do it. Start today. I don't understand the core of this advice. So if you're in the UK and do all the above, can you suddenly get similar E2EE cloud storage from a different provider without a UK government-mandated backdoor?
Yes, but you'll have to trust that they haven't been issued a secret government order to implement a backdoor.
Not all of those companies will loudly object in the way Apple does.
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#85Sounds more like people need to de-UK. It's going to be a problem with any company or technology.
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The actual straightforward fix isn't available to us - namely, we aren't due a general election until 2029 and right now the "good guys" are in power, so it's not at all clear that anyone would even offer to reverse this TCN if they were elected instead, in 4 years time.
Re: Time to start de-Appling
#86Apple obeys the law. Policians set the law. You vote for politicians. So nu, it makes no sense to blame Apple here.
England has been speedrunning the dystopian surveillance police state for a while now, through numerous governments. Voting is pointless. Same (but different) in Denmark where politicians vote to give themselves more money[1], snoop on everything[2], violate our constitution unpunished[3], delete evidence of corruption[4], open the borders[5], etc. etc. etc. I used to care - a lot - I really did. But I'm done. [1] ht…
Might come across as pedantic, but its important, "the UK" not "England". Confusing the two can upset people, especially those from the rest of the UK.
Personally I do not think its just the UK and Denmark, its pretty much everywhere.
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#87Very clever image and caption (right at the bottom of the page)
> Header image by me: Alan Turing memorial, Manchester, where he reminds you why keeping data private can be a matter of life and death.
The image shows a close up of a statue of Alan Turing, his hand holding an apple.
Re: Time to start de-Appling
#88> You need to start that because, as we recently learned, at some point in the very near future Apple is withdrawing its Advanced Data Protection (ADP) feature from the UK altogether as a result of the Home Office TCN through the Investigatory Powers Act. So, a UK-only advice, and it strangely assumes that any other service in UK wouldn’t be bound by the same laws.
> So, a UK-only advice
Not for long
Re: Time to start de-Appling
#89Maybe people in UK should de-stupidify their politicians.
Re: Time to start de-Appling
#90Just to clarify, she's advocating people stop using Apple, quite literally the only big tech company with a slightly better focus on privacy compared to all the others and with a reputation for saying no to the latest authoritarian power grab by the UK government?
No, she's saying that due to UK legislation that Apple will no longer be allowed to offer e2ee and it's time to start moving your data off of their cloud services before you're forced to turn off ADP.
It's not an article about advocacy so much as the pragmatics an upcoming data migration.