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Re: Time to start de-Appling

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caconym_ wrote: post #65
sedatk wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The title certainly disagrees.

No, it doesn't. If I get up in the morning and say "time to get out of the house" I am not blaming my house for anything; I am simply articulating that I want or need to be somewhere else, for whatever reason.

Eh, the whole "de-Brand" lingo comes from "de-Googling" which has unambiguously blamed Google for the act. The use of the same type of terminology automatically implies the same set of circumstances.

When you say "time to de-CocaCola" while all soda products are susceptible to a certain health hazard, you can't say "Obviously, CocaCola isn't being blamed here".

The analog of your example would be "time to get out of the cloud" for the article.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by sedatk »

dare944 wrote: post #63
sedatk wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The title certainly disagrees.

I does not in the slightest. Rather, It suggests it's time to start removing Apple entanglements from your digital life, for reasons that are described in the article.

See my sibling comment.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by caconym_ »

thw_9a83c wrote: post #29

From the article: > Otherwise, please make sure you de-Apple, de-Google, and de-American Stack yourself when you have time, clarity, and focus to do it. Start today. I don't understand the core of this advice. So if you're in the UK and do all the above, can you suddenly get similar E2EE cloud storage from a different provider without a UK government-mandated backdoor?

E2EE cloud storage is not some kind of magic that only tech bigcorps can provide. I de-Dropboxed a few years ago, replacing it with Syncthing running on a local NAS with e2ee backups in Backblaze and Wireguard VPN out to my mobile devices. Sure, this is not the sort of thing most people can set up for themselves, but I don't think that's particularly relevant in context.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by sedatk »

caconym_ wrote: post #68
sedatk wrote: post #42

> You need to start that because, as we recently learned, at some point in the very near future Apple is withdrawing its Advanced Data Protection (ADP) feature from the UK altogether as a result of the Home Office TCN through the Investigatory Powers Act. So, a UK-only advice, and it strangely assumes that any other service in UK wouldn’t be bound by the same laws.

> So, a UK-only advice So what? > it strangely assumes that any other service in UK wouldn’t be bound by the same laws. From the linked article: > I’m not going to tell you where to move your stuff other than to say that if you’re moving it from one big tech company to another, you’re just being daft. Likewise, if you’re moving your stuff to a non-e2ee service, don’t bother. If you need an e2ee service try Proton. Th…

> So what?

The title felt like there was a greater issue with Apple specifically. There wasn't. There was a greater issue with the new UK laws and cloud storage systems. I think people deserved a clarification before getting wound up about it before reading the article.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by caconym_ »

sedatk wrote: post #74
caconym_ wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So, a UK-only advice So what? > it strangely assumes that any other service in UK wouldn’t be bound by the same laws. From the linked article: > I’m not going to tell you where to move your stuff other than to say that if you’re moving it from one big tech company to another, you’re just being daft. Likewise, if you’re moving your stuff to a non-e2ee service, don’t bother. If you need an e2ee service try Proton. Th…

> So what? The title felt like there was a greater issue with Apple specifically. There wasn't. There was a greater issue with the new UK laws and cloud storage systems. I think people deserved a clarification before getting wound up about it before reading the article.

The issue is with Apple specifically in the sense that they have been offering a superior E2EE cloud storage service that will soon be denied to UK residents (IIUC, E2EE isn't offered by their competition e.g. Google, Microsoft). But the article goes out of its way in its first section to note that Apple isn't in the wrong at all here:

> But I will say that the shutdown of ADP is Apple being on the right side of the geopolitical fight, as inconvenient as that may be to you and me.

It is, if you care about the issues the author evidently cares about, "time to start de-Appling". I am a satisfied ongoing customer of Apple and I didn't find this headline to be the least bit inflammatory. It is, at worst, minor clickbait—but it's not really bait at all, since the contents of the article match the headline.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by caconym_ »

sedatk wrote: post #71
caconym_ wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it doesn't. If I get up in the morning and say "time to get out of the house" I am not blaming my house for anything; I am simply articulating that I want or need to be somewhere else, for whatever reason.

Eh, the whole "de-Brand" lingo comes from "de-Googling" which has unambiguously blamed Google for the act. The use of the same type of terminology automatically implies the same set of circumstances. When you say "time to de-CocaCola" while all soda products are susceptible to a certain health hazard, you can't say "Obviously, CocaCola isn't being blamed here". The analog of your example would be "time to get out of…

The issue is specific to Apple! IIUC they're the only mainstream cloud storage provider that provides E2EE, and I'm sure many of their customers chose them over their competitors for that reason.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by vkou »

infinitezest wrote: post #69
reboot81 wrote: post #11

Apple obeys the law. Policians set the law. You vote for politicians. So nu, it makes no sense to blame Apple here.

It must be nice to live somewhere that has politicians that represent the will of the people enough to have a take like this. Where I live, your vote only counts if you have enough money.

You're asking for a monkey's paw.

The current ruling party in the US has given its voters exactly what they think they wanted, and it's a fucking disaster.

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