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Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

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Post by cholantesh »

spwa4 wrote: post #181
cholantesh wrote: post #109

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There is no mention of rape, let alone mass-rape, let alone mass-rape that was sanctioned and systematized by Palestinian authorities and venerated by the Palestinian public in the article you linked. That aside, no, the normalization of punitive rape as retribution for war/revenge rape is not the hallmark of a healthy society, particularly one that anoints itself a beacon of post-Enlightenment, secular, liberal demo…

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Looks like you missed the part where I rather clearly said "in the article you linked". As for the articles you just linked because of this, literally none of them evince the charge that Hamas directed its brigades to gangrape hostages, let alone that Palestinians cheered this on. And again, it's pretty wild that you would argue that a healthy society tacitly or explicitly (it's the latter in Israel's case) encourages revenge rape, especially when it quite literally had always called itself the vanguard of the west in the middle east, the most moral army in the world, etc.

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Post by richardfeynman »

cholantesh wrote: post #210
richardfeynman wrote: post #193

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All the claims are true. > Obesity is common There are countless videos of obese people in Gaza today . > Restaurats everywhere. Google it! Not restaurants under rubble, but restaurants serving faties today. Here's a short list of open restaurants: - Manaqish restaurant - Ghazetna restaurant - Hotdog restaurant - Zaitouna cam restaurant - Chef Hamada - O2 restaurant > No pictures of starving families. Yes, of course…

> Google it! I did, and here's what I found: https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10173130920930377&set=... You should credit Mr. Fuld, plagiarizing hasbara seems a bit gauche. >And the kids that look starving had preexisting conditions. Caused by prenatal nutritional deficiencies that wouldn't have occurred if they weren't born under siege. It's pretty wild that Zionists are still engaging in this transparently cyn…

Earlier cholantesh failed to accept the bedrocks of western jurisprudence. I would be happy to debate cholantesh if he first accepts: (1) the western concept of presumed innocence; (2) that while the video from Sde Teiman does show suspicious circumstances, the allegations must be tested in court; (3) the accused are innocent until proven guilty; (4) there is also certain potentially exculpatory evidence undermining the accusations (a hospital report that doesn't show rape; a grainy and edited video, where the alleged sex act cannot clearly be seen, among other things)

In the meantime, what I will say for other readers is that just as cholantesh ignores the foundations of western jurisprudence, cholantesh also ignores one of the foundational principles of the enlightenment, and the motto of the royal society: nullius in verba - take nobody's word for it. One doesn't make a case by appealing to authorities like the Church of England or agencies with three-letter acronyms, but thinks from first principles to generate good explanations. Various evidence-free circular theories, like "kids look starving due to prenatal nutritional deficiencies" sound incredibly stupid (really, 10 year olds? kids with cerebral palsy?), and classifying arguments as belonging to forbidden categories ("hasbara talking points") is a dollar store technique for throwing reason out the window.

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Post by xg15 »

richardfeynman wrote: post #206
xg15 wrote: post #204

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Come on dude, none of this makes any sense. Netanyahu in march officially ordered the IDF to block all aid [1] (though he later pretended he didn't [2]). That blockade was kept up for three months, until international pressure got too strong because even international staff reported being dizzy from hunger. Where were all those restaurants getting their fresh meat and vegetables and chocolate sauce from after 3 month…

The videos are current, and there are hundreds more like them. Sorry to burst your bubble! The ingredients (chocolate, vegetables, fresh meat) are let in by Israel, which has let in 1.8 million metric tons of aid during the war, more than any belligerent in history. Educate yourself.

I had just shared the announcement of a total ban on entry of all goods. Did you read it?

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Post by _menelaus »

neoromantique wrote: post #209
_menelaus wrote: post #191

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Yeah good catch on the first Prime Minister bit. But let's hear you try to whitewash the Deir Yassin massacre. Irgun were wicked.

There is nothing to whitewash about wars and war crimes, they happen in every war, and are inexcusable in every war, no matter the side. For every war crime from Jewish side you can always point to a similar one from Arab side, this finger pointing is not useful for anything but spurring more hate and igniting the conflict over and over.

I disagree completely. Its important to condemn terrorism and genocide on both sides. I have no tolerance for that. Its absurd to try to convince me to ignore this, or to try and excuse the IDF because the other side is bad too. Hamas is bad. Nazis are bad. The IDF is bad. The Israeli state is bad. Israeli society is rotten. These are all true and useful statements. I don't understand why you would spend your time on the internet trying to argue against this.

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Post by richardfeynman »

xg15 wrote: post #213
richardfeynman wrote: post #206

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The videos are current, and there are hundreds more like them. Sorry to burst your bubble! The ingredients (chocolate, vegetables, fresh meat) are let in by Israel, which has let in 1.8 million metric tons of aid during the war, more than any belligerent in history. Educate yourself.

I had just shared the announcement of a total ban on entry of all goods. Did you read it?

No. And stop pretending your delusions are real.

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Post by neoromantique »

_menelaus wrote: post #214
neoromantique wrote: post #209

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There is nothing to whitewash about wars and war crimes, they happen in every war, and are inexcusable in every war, no matter the side. For every war crime from Jewish side you can always point to a similar one from Arab side, this finger pointing is not useful for anything but spurring more hate and igniting the conflict over and over.

I disagree completely. Its important to condemn terrorism and genocide on both sides. I have no tolerance for that. Its absurd to try to convince me to ignore this, or to try and excuse the IDF because the other side is bad too. Hamas is bad. Nazis are bad. The IDF is bad. The Israeli state is bad. Israeli society is rotten. These are all true and useful statements. I don't understand why you would spend your time on…

You apply broken logic here and show your biases loud and clear.

Should you decide to be consistent with your logic, then we quickly arrive at human race also being bad and we can end this circus.

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Post by samrus »

richardfeynman wrote: post #68
samrus wrote: post #63

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My comment clearly advocates for common law standards: the right to a trial, the presumption of innocence, and so on. Am I understanding correctly that you think this advocacy--a staple of western thought--is bad faith? You prefer mob rule, no courts, medieval justice, and so on, and consider that good faith? What a topsy-turvy world we live in.

Your just strawmanning at this point. I didnt say those things. I really really dont think your posting in good faith

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Post by DSingularity »

neoromantique wrote: post #184
DSingularity wrote: post #101

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Seems like you either don’t understand math and what the word “average” means or you are just being inflammatory.

You don't seem to have a problem judging entirety of Israeli population by a fringe minority (and even that fringe minority is being misrepresented).

Sorry what fridge minority? Poll after poll has shown that most Israelis are basically happy with what is happening in Gaza.

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Post by DSingularity »

tguvot wrote: post #188
DSingularity wrote: post #178

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> A member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party, speaking Monday at a meeting of lawmakers, justified the rape and abuse of Palestinian prisoners, shouting angrily at colleagues questioning the alleged behavior that anything was legitimate to do to "terrorists" in custody. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-idf-palestinia...

there was no debate in knesset as you wrote about right to rape. there was 1 sentence said in knesset subcommittee. from same article that you linked ------------------ Lawmaker Hanoch Milwidsky was asked as he defended the alleged abuse whether it was legitimate, "to insert a stick into a person's rectum?" "Yes!" he shouted in reply to his fellow parliamentarian. "If he is a Nukhba [Hamas special forces that took ac…

What do you think the word debate means? If a somebody makes a statement and then some people disagreed with it and others jumped to defend it then you can say people engaged in debated. If that happened in Knesset then you can say they debated it.

You can get pedantic and argue all you want about meaningless tangents to try to misrepresent people whose views you dislike as liars but in the end you are going to be another Zionist using rhetoric to distract from your racist and genocidal ideology.

Admit you are genocidal and racist. Admit you support IDF that raped on camera.

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Post by DSingularity »

tguvot wrote: post #187
DSingularity wrote: post #179

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It is really a gross thing to do when you try to convince us that what we saw — in that deliberate act of sexual abuse — is not what it is: rape. But what else can I expect from the movement that justifies murder and starvation of children as necessary for peace.

according to hospital report no rape took place. but sure, from grainy video you can see exactly what happened

Oh yes the hospital report. I’m sure you would have accepted a Nazi doctor if he testified that no war crimes took place during the holocaust because he issued a hospital report.

I’ll tell you what — when you start accepting what the hospitals in Gaza are saying about the Palestinians we will start accepting what the twisted IDF doctors are saying.

You literally had a high ranking IDF officer resign in protest over the coverup of the rapes. Imagine the level of evil to make an IDF officer resign. My guess is she saw much more than we have seen.

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