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Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by ghaff »

lisbbb wrote: post #178
windowshopping wrote: post #62

Two initial thoughts: 1. This author's writing is extremely, uncommonly good. Good enough to write a book and have it sell. "Competing with the past of the economy," "residual behaviour of a world that treated labour as sacred," "immigration without immigrants" -- there are many elegant turns of phrase here. This is a very skilled writer. 2. His resume is designed poorly. Have a look. I'm not surprised his job search…

It a bit too long to get the main points across. Also, a wall of text is becoming something people ignore, no matter how important it is. Make a video, bring these ideas to life.

No one hiring is watching a video made by a recent grad.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by tomasphan »

ernst_klim wrote: post #312
lisbbb wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the point of applying for "hundreds of jobs." I think use the time to network with real people and forget about Indeed or whatever because those jobs are mostly fake anyways.

> I think use the time to network with real people It kinda doesn't work these days. One of the points of DEI was to eliminate the nepotism hiring (and it's kinda good if the hiring wasn't so broken), so these days referrals don't mean shit unless you're referred by someone high-ranked enough. I've literally seen people being autorejected after being referred by team-leads these days.

I’ve seen the complete opposite and have gotten my current role from a referral which the company took very seriously (guaranteed first interview).

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by sehansen »

darkwater wrote: post #320
windowshopping wrote: post #62

Two initial thoughts: 1. This author's writing is extremely, uncommonly good. Good enough to write a book and have it sell. "Competing with the past of the economy," "residual behaviour of a world that treated labour as sacred," "immigration without immigrants" -- there are many elegant turns of phrase here. This is a very skilled writer. 2. His resume is designed poorly. Have a look. I'm not surprised his job search…

> 2. His resume is designed poorly. Have a look. I'm not surprised his job search has been unsuccessful when his resume looks like an essay. OP, you gotta cut that text down by like 70% and put more highlights. This is the world of tiktok and instagram reels. I disagree. He just needs some nicer-looking template and that would be a perfectly valid CV [1]. Perhaps reducing a bit some paragraph, but not by 70% at all (…

Yeah, just increasing the font size of the section headers 4 pts and the lines with the job titles 2 pts would do wonders. Maybe also put the locations in italic and decrease the line spacing around the location lines.

But even with the current resume I'd still call this guy in for an interview if I were hiring for an ML position.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by selimthegrim »

jfewhfuehg wrote: post #329
tionate wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It mentions DeepMind but also says Research Ready, which is the program funded by DeepMind but run by unis for disadvantaged students. That said I have no idea how competitive this program is.

>disadvantaged students That's what it says on paper but that's not reality. If you are asian you are suddenly not disadvantaged even if you are an immigrant. It is just legal racism. The fact that employers even get to play games like this tells you a lot about our current situation ironically.

He’s in the UK.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by [deleted] »

visarga wrote: post #270
mike_hearn wrote: post #47

Great article, well written. I'd certainly consider interviewing this guy - if I was hiring. Based on the other comments it's worth noting a few things: 1. Ahmed seems to be in the UK, not the USA. H1Bs don't affect him. This isn't obvious because he talks about the USA. However, the mass immigration into the UK might have impacted him by saturating the low skill markets such that everyone else has to fight over the…

> Great article, well written. >> The question is no longer whether a model can cover the job that was going to exist anyway. The question is whether a human can justify their presence next to a stack of models. >> The central question for future labour markets is not whether you are clever or diligent in some absolute sense. It is whether what you do is ordinary enough for a model to learn or strange enough to fall…

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Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by MikeNotThePope »

devnullbrain wrote: post #126
alyxya wrote: post #110

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I tend to think resume advice is overrated. There's so much variability in how companies screen them, who reads it, what they care about, and how they get read. People tend to give advice based on their idea of what a good resume should be like, but it's very difficult to properly measure how good some advice is. Saying "I'm not surprised his job search has been unsuccessful when his resume looks like an essay." feel…

As a candidate, it can be confusing to read application advice. You'll often see people say that they look for x-y-z when hiring, which conflicts with when you saw someone say they look for a-b-c the week before. How can both be true? Because both are true, for what they look for. But what's considered standard or desirable differs massively from one market to another - region, industry, role. It even differs at the…

Hey, I’ve done recruiting since 2005. Here’s the most basic advice I can give you. It’s much more important to have stuff to put on your resume than is it to obsess over how the resume is formatted. Showing what you’ve done and what you can do in the goal. What I typically do for myself is focus on quality over quantity, and then stuff in a few extra keywords relevant to the kind of job I’m targeting.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by Havoc »

Well author writes very well so I’d imagine he’ll land on his feet.

The scary part to me is that it’s not obvious what the correct response to this potential future is. A pivot into out of distribution is functionally impossible for many. The new grad because if they don’t know the in curve stuff yet then expecting out from them is a tough ask. And for established people it’s a big leap out of comfort zone if you can even figure out which way to leap

It’s like telling someone to be smarter. Easier said than done

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by hobs »

ernst_klim wrote: post #312
lisbbb wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the point of applying for "hundreds of jobs." I think use the time to network with real people and forget about Indeed or whatever because those jobs are mostly fake anyways.

> I think use the time to network with real people It kinda doesn't work these days. One of the points of DEI was to eliminate the nepotism hiring (and it's kinda good if the hiring wasn't so broken), so these days referrals don't mean shit unless you're referred by someone high-ranked enough. I've literally seen people being autorejected after being referred by team-leads these days.

My experience is completely the opposite, every quick hire is a referral, jobs constantly ask for and bonus for referrals. The higher up the position the more it matters that you have a warm introduction.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by ndiddy »

tomasphan wrote: post #372
ernst_klim wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think use the time to network with real people It kinda doesn't work these days. One of the points of DEI was to eliminate the nepotism hiring (and it's kinda good if the hiring wasn't so broken), so these days referrals don't mean shit unless you're referred by someone high-ranked enough. I've literally seen people being autorejected after being referred by team-leads these days.

I’ve seen the complete opposite and have gotten my current role from a referral which the company took very seriously (guaranteed first interview).

Just saying "referrals are worthless" or "referrals are useful" doesn't mean much without specifying the type of referral. Obviously if you're talking directly to a hiring manager who's willing to bypass HR, it's much likelier you'll end up with a job than if you're talking to someone who sees an open position on another team and says he'll flag your resume on their ATS if you apply.

Re: Work after work: Notes from an unemployed new grad watching the job market break

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Post by exe34 »

tavavex wrote: post #290
adrianstoll wrote: post #233

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If you expand your scope enough eventually you’ll find someone. For example, my first job was from someone who knew my dad.

That's not a scope expansion, a first-order relationship within your family is barely even networking at all. Giving preferential treatment to friends and relatives is an entirely different world from what's being suggested above. As one of those new grads, I'm frankly not seeing where I could expand my scope to. Most random tech workers, outside the people I know through a past job, wouldn't want to know me, a rando…

I think you need to find one of those people collectors. I know one of them, and I could ask him to introduce me to somebody with and he'll know somebody within a hundred miles.
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