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Re: Keep Android Open

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Just installed Lineage OS 23 (androind 16) on my Motorola g84. Works like a charm. Banking apps work. Do I need to say fuck google? Like it's not obvious?

>Banking apps work. Do I need to say fuck google?

You are not using Google Play services? Many banks rely on the google play integrity api sadly

Re: Keep Android Open

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> This is not true for Debian, which is the upstream of PureOS. Lots of the software they provide has privacy invasive behavior and far more than that has poor privacy. > And yet, it has practically negligible number of malicious apps, especially compared with Google Play. Google Play is not the only app repository for Android-based operating systems. There are repositories in the style of traditional Linux distribut…

> Lots of the software they provide has privacy invasive behavior and far more than that has poor privacy. You can't attack Debian like this without providing a few examples. > No, it has very poor privacy and security. This is just an empty accusation. Have you seen serious security problems in Debian with any noticeable consequences recently?

> You can't attack Debian like this without providing a few examples.

It's not specific to Debian. They're packaging a massive ecosystem of software nearly entirely not developed or significantly changed by Debian and are assembling an operating system out of it. Many of the projects they package have quite poor attitudes when it comes to privacy and security, including core components of the base OS. It's mainly criticism of projects including glibc, systemd, GCC and GNOME which is worse when using an OS lagging so far behind backporting a subset of the vulnerability fixes and doing the opposite of attack surface reduction / hardening with how they integrate most of it.

> This is just an empty accusation. Have you seen serious security problems in Debian with any noticeable consequences recently?

Yes, it has atrocious privacy and security including being far behind operating systems like macOS in deploying app sandboxing, a modern permission model, isolation throughout the OS, modern exploit protections and memory safe languages. Debian is focused on packaging and integrating software, not developing it. There's nearly zero work on overall privacy and security work. Backporting patches for issues assigned CVEs is not systemic work on improving privacy and security. Debian is not making the major ongoing advances in privacy and security which have happened on mobile and are happening at a slower and more limited pace for macOS. QubesOS largely exists to work around the extreme insecurity of traditional desktop operating systems. It also exists to work around the insecure architecture of the Linux kernel which is increasingly behind macOS and especially iOS doing increasingly sophisticated kernel hardening with substantial work done across the kernel along with moving more code into userspace. If anything, Linux is moving more code into kernel space where it has no isolation, particularly on traditional distributions simply enabling all the new features/functionality rather than doing more and more attack surface reduction and hardening like Android/ChromeOS (which are still falling further behind iOS in this area).

Re: Keep Android Open

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No matter how this turns out, I'm sure GrapheneOS will make a smart effort. https://grapheneos.org/ But long-term, Android is such a massive code base, and was designed more for surveillance and consumption, than for privacy&security and the user's interests. I think getting mainline Linux on viable and sustainable on multiple hardware devices is warmer, fuzzier foundation. (Sort of a cross between Purism's work on t…

> think getting mainline Linux on viable and sustainable on multiple hardware devices is warmer, fuzzier foundation. You just have to somehow speedrun the decades of development that went into Android to make it decently run on mobile hardware.. never really understood this "throwing out the baby" direction - the UNIX userspace model simply doesn't work on mobile (I would wager it also doesn't work on desktop anymore…

flatpak has existed for a decade, and namespaces even longer. They could stand some improvement, but work well enough.

Re: Keep Android Open

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relative of mine has t1d and they use their phone app to monitor and give insulin, also alarm them when they are low..trusting outside the reliability of apple and google for this type of stuff i imagine would be difficult.

There are OSS solutions for glucose monitors and even insulin pumps, and they exist precisely because commercial vendors tend to give at best suboptimal quality even when it comes to medical devices. Sure, most pay attention to not accidentally kill you, but beyond that, their incentives go in opposite direction to your incentives. It's important to have computing freedoms so that people who actually care end-to-end,…

is there an OSS solution that comes remotely close to dexcom g7 + omnipod 5? I haven't seen it, and we've been through many options. so i'm not sure what is 'suboptimal'

Re: Keep Android Open

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Can you explain how you mean this in the context of software? What you describe sounds like the paradox of intolerance but I fail to see how that can be applied to free software. Freedom in general: You can't have absolute freedom because that includes the freedom to take the freedom from others. In software: You can't have absolutely free software because ... ? I fail to see how free software might infringe on the f…

Sure.

If you MIT license a critical piece of software instead of GPL it, what happens is someone will have a business idea on top of it. They implement their idea, then close source the new implementation.

They then bring in revenue. That revenue then enables them to amplify and accelerate their modifications. Eventually, they start patenting and commodifying their changes. More resources accelerate their closed-source implementation that quickly obsoletes the open source implementation.

Now, people are forced to use the closed source implementation or be left behind with an inferior tech. Because these things tend to optimize or otherwise accelerate them, they have no choice but to pay or trust this closed source implementation, and that creates a feedback loop.

They get more resources, build more closed source stuff, and rarely contribute back to the open backbone that enabled them to begin with.

You an extrapolate the pattern from here.

Re: Keep Android Open

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I hate that you’re being downvoted. You are absolutely right here.

Being right does not equate to being popular. If popular was also right, we would be living in a golden age.

I've been ridiculed all my life for speaking my truth, even when it is difficult or harmful to me.

It's okay.

Re: Keep Android Open

#907
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Thanks and of course, it's used to highlight how ridiculous you are being in considering an app, that doesn't function as an app, an app. The tesla car is a vehicle traveling through space, technically a spacecraft it's just literally not what anyone thinks of when they mean spacecraft. The prisoner reference is an allusion to the usual philosophical debate on how small man made borders need to be to be considered a…

> highlanders are considered immortal even though chopping off their heads kills them. It’s not worth further of my time to debate with this level of irrationality.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091203/

I can see why you have come to very fragile conclusions if your default is to assume what others say is irrational rather than researching or simply asking when you don't understand it (googling what you quoted verbatim even gives the context).

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