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When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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Post by bastawhiz »

brianwawok wrote: post #13
Animats wrote: post #10

As time goes on, Tesla's fiasco becomes more and more embarrassing. Waymos are all over the place in the cities they serve, doing pretty much what they're supposed to do. Nuro has some fully autonomous vehicles running around. Baidu's Apollo Go is deployed in 16 cities in China, although they use remote driving as a backup. Tesla, though, is still hyping a technology that seems to have maxed out years ago.

And yet it drives me on 2000 mile car trips without touching anything. If you ignore the hype and look at the actual product, it’s fine.

I can imagine it doing fine on highways for a thousand miles. FSD has literally never managed to complete a trip involving city driving for me without disengaging or me having to stop it from doing something illegal. I'm not sure how many attempts I'm supposed to give it. Hell, autopilot doesn't even manage to consistently stay safely in a lane on I-40 between Durham and Asheville.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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Post by vessenes »

bastawhiz wrote: post #41
brianwawok wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet it drives me on 2000 mile car trips without touching anything. If you ignore the hype and look at the actual product, it’s fine.

I can imagine it doing fine on highways for a thousand miles. FSD has literally never managed to complete a trip involving city driving for me without disengaging or me having to stop it from doing something illegal. I'm not sure how many attempts I'm supposed to give it. Hell, autopilot doesn't even manage to consistently stay safely in a lane on I-40 between Durham and Asheville.

have you tried fsd 13/14 yet? I just upgraded to 13 from 12 and it's a massssive improvement. Not sure what 14 s like. It's definitely added a 9 in the last year.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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Post by danans »

twostorytower wrote: post #5
neilv wrote: post #3

> However, at this week’s shareholder meeting, Musk stated that Tesla may allow “texting and driving” within “a month or two.” The family of the first person killed by that will know who to sue for a punitive trillion dollars.

Would at least like to use it for stop and go traffic, which is about the only thing I trust FSD for.

> Would at least like to use it for stop and go traffic, which is about the only thing I trust FSD for.

Depends on the type of stop and go driving. Crawling along at 15mph, sure. But the most dangerous driving scenario - whether human or machine is the driver - is a scenario with large variations in speed between vehicles and also limited visibility.

For example suddenly encountering a traffic jam that starts around a blind corner.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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Post by vessenes »

Animats wrote: post #10

As time goes on, Tesla's fiasco becomes more and more embarrassing. Waymos are all over the place in the cities they serve, doing pretty much what they're supposed to do. Nuro has some fully autonomous vehicles running around. Baidu's Apollo Go is deployed in 16 cities in China, although they use remote driving as a backup. Tesla, though, is still hyping a technology that seems to have maxed out years ago.

Sorry but while I am a happy Waymo user, this is overblown and just incorrect. Waymo has datacenter oversight. (which, who cares, the product is great).

Tesla FSD 12 -> 13 was a massive jump that happened earlier this year. 14 is still rolling out.

Testing out 13 this weekend, it drove on country roads, noticed a road closure, rerouted, did 7 miles on non divided highways, navigated a town and chose a parking space and parked in it with zero interruptions. It even backed out of the driveway to start the trip. I didn't like the parking job and reparked; other than that, no hands, no feet, fully autonomous. Unlike 12, I had no 'comments' on the driving choices - rotaries were navigated very nicely, road hazards were approached and dealt with safely and properly. It was genuinely good.

Dislike Elon all you want, but Tesla FSD is improving rapidly, and to my experienced eyes adding 9s. Probably two or three more 9s to go, but it's not a maxed out technology.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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Post by sabareesh »

whoisthemachine wrote: post #43

Tesla's FSD will be good enough when you get an insurance discount for using it.

Technically you kind of get this in Nevada when using Tesla insurance and if you drive 100 % FSD. If you drive manually you are pretty much doxed for random Front collision Warning which is super sensitive

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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Post by danans »

MBCook wrote: post #36
simondotau wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to users, that issue appears to be solved as of FSD v13. The solution may be reliant on the higher quality camera modules shipped with hardware 4.

So why did it ever ship like that? Why was that OK? Why was it safe to let people use like that without informing them?

When people are so taken by your brand that they volunteer their money and lives to test your half-baked product, why would you stop them?

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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Post by PunchyHamster »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #14
brianwawok wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet it drives me on 2000 mile car trips without touching anything. If you ignore the hype and look at the actual product, it’s fine.

Ancedotes are nice. Miles per disengagement stats would be better.

That also doesn't matter much as highways pump those stats up.

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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Post by PunchyHamster »

paulbjensen wrote: post #4

One reason I wouldn't trust Tesla's FSD: Sun glare: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaFSD/comments/1huzgtu/tesla_fsd... Drivers have tackled this problem by wearing polaroid sunglasses. I really hope someone asks Tesla how they plan to solve the Sun glare issue.

Next up: they put LCD layer with selective dimming over cameras and claim world's first instead of investing in lidar/radar as they should from the start rather than dropping it "coz it is not needed"

Re: When Tesla's FSD works well, it gets credit. When it doesn't, you get blamed

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Post by PunchyHamster »

weirdindiankid wrote: post #9

I’m still perplexed by the utter lack of regulatory action in both the U.S. and Canada with FSD. Its inconsistency and Tesla’s “seat of the pants” approach to safety have gotten enough people injured to where I’d have expected someone to take notice by now. Don’t get me wrong, when it works, it’s amazing but there’s no way to reliably establish that it works on the same route twice.

It's weird, it's essentially allowing unlicensed driver on roads
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