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AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Re: AI isn't replacing jobs. AI spending is

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Post by lbreakjai »

monero-xmr wrote: post #117
evantbyrne wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

London and Toronto give people healthcare. And I was in Michigan.

The vast majority of jobs in America give healthcare. The quality is vastly superior to London and Toronto, although we pay far more (and our medical professionals are upper middle class rather than middle / lower class). However this is a huge hidden portion of salary that most are not aware of, about $25k for a family of 4, which increases labor costs greatly. On sheer metrics of access and quality, America kicks t…

I hope we continue getting the shit kicked out of us, if victory looks like medical bankrupcy, and insulin rationing.

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Post by hunterpayne »

flir wrote: post #335
monero-xmr wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of jobs in America give healthcare. The quality is vastly superior to London and Toronto, although we pay far more (and our medical professionals are upper middle class rather than middle / lower class). However this is a huge hidden portion of salary that most are not aware of, about $25k for a family of 4, which increases labor costs greatly. On sheer metrics of access and quality, America kicks t…

So, uh... how come you die younger?

Opioid epidemic skews the stats.

The OP's point is why the wealthy in your country comes to the US for healthcare

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Post by BuyMyBitcoins »

Arch485 wrote: post #64
random9749832 wrote: post #31

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I would say it is more sinister than just a cost-benefit analysis and plain racism in hiring. Cheap talent exists in far more places than India but somehow it almost always is India. Not only that but I have seen the strangest LinkedIn profiles where people graduate from no-name Indian universities and get a big-corp job here in the West like it is nothing. Even Japan has become pro-Indian on immigration for tech: ht…

It's not a racism thing, it's because India is in a fairly unique position: their population is so large, that (relatively speaking) the top 0.1% of Indians in any sector tend to outnumber the top 0.1% of (for example) Americans in that sector, plus if an Indian immigrates to America, a company can pay them less than an equivalent American employee (for various reasons). So you basically can pay an Indian immigrant a…

>”for significantly-better-than-junior-dev work.”

Not even close. We had two offshore contractors working with our team for about two years and they were consistently terrible. Despite this, some higher up pressed us to “hire” them so we conducted an interview. One of them said they had 8+ years of SQL query optimization experience and could not explain what a table scan was. The other claimed to have 5 years of C++ experience and thought a pointer was a url. I am not exaggerating.

Whereas our team’s college intern turned junior dev has consistently delivered increasingly valuable contributions and doesn’t lie to us.

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Post by ponector »

dehrmann wrote: post #78
Glyptodon wrote: post #20

As a recently laid of senior engineer, to the extent that my job was replaced, it was replaced with offshore junior devs who'd already been working with the company for over year with a pretty rough level of productivity by man-hour, though maybe taking 3x the time to get things done is worth it if they're cheap enough. Which is to say I see my layoff as as cost cutting backed by a premise that there is no value in r…

Hacker News doesn't like to hear it, but remote work is a big part of this. All that effort convincing management you're just as effective working remotely was also a collective sales pitch to outsource your role.

Cannot fully agree with this. I've just been fired from remote job. My remote contact position after 4 years was replaced with internal full-time position. I could convert to employee if I was willing to relocate to Bratislava and take a huge pay cut. I'm in Eastern Europe already, but cannot agree to €40k salary offer.

It's not like they don't have money, it was an insurance company with $1bn in quarterly profit. Market is extremely unfavorable for IT talents currently.

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Post by qgin »

system2 wrote: post #324
qgin wrote: post #245

AI is absolutely replacing jobs though. I personally know multiple people whose companies have downsized departments or eliminated departments completely, offloading the work to fewer people using AI tools.

Can you list a few tools that replaced jobs?

At a big hospital system, nurses call patients with complex medical issues and help organize appointments and tests and whatnot. Previously, they had about 20 people who would transcribe recordings of the calls and then write up documentation for the medical records. Now AI transcribes and writes the report and sends it to the nurse to sign off / make edits.

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Post by evilduck »

tamimio wrote: post #309
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #294

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Software development is by nature a boom and bust industry, probably most like film. It’s about creative and isosyncratic contractors picking up projects when they are available. What most people aspiring for a white collar career probably want is a job in IT - managing technology for business is much more stable than developing novel tech. If the thought of needing to move or lose a job strikes you as horrible, this…

Neither software development nor IT work is engineering work and shouldn't be considered one either. I am talking about engineering jobs, jobs that you went to school for 4-5 years in an engineering discipline, not a few weeks bootcamp or made-up program like computer science only to be called an engineer later, diluting the whole industry in the process. So yeah, software development might be boom and bust, engineer…

The first civil engineering degree was minted less than 200 years ago even though we've been building civil infrastructure works for millennia. There were plenty of mishaps along the way for that field too.

The creation of the first digital computer is still within living memory. The state of the software industry and its maturity is doing ok given its youth.

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

moominpapa wrote: post #283

Lost my previous job not to AI but to a pincer movement of Indians taking up positions here in the UK effectively forming a bridgehead to subsequently have the non-management roles outsourced to India. From purely my own anecdotal experience, I found my Indian coworkers very friendly when I could provide something, but once they had the whip hand their attitude was markedly different.

They then get visas for the outsourced workers to bring them over. And I’m sure they get a nice backhander for arranging it.

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Post by ponector »

WalterSear wrote: post #311
franktankbank wrote: post #197

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What dev to do then?

IMHO, there's never been a better time to build your own product and learn to sell it. The effort that AI implementation requires is clearly exponential to complexity of the organization. You can build faster now that you ever have: I am building faster than I have in 25 years of engineering. You have more capable support for all the unfamiliar processes of building a business imaginable. And almost everyone larger t…

It was never an issue to build something. The challenge is to sell your product to cover dev costs at least.

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Post by hunterpayne »

normie3000 wrote: post #181
questionableans wrote: post #154

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Admittedly privileged counterpoint: I want to work with the best co-workers in the world. Most candidates I’ve interviewed both in the US and in other countries aren’t anywhere near that level. If just anybody will do for a job, I’ll probably get bored and frustrated by it. High pay has been a mixed blessing for the tech field. For every aspiring top mathematician or physicist who’s been tempted by the pay and releva…

Where do you find these people?

Check the pile of CVs that HR rejected. You will be shocked at the talent in there.
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