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Largest cargo sailboat completes first Atlantic crossing

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Re: Largest cargo sailboat completes first Atlantic crossing

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...how do you think trans-oceanic trade was done before steam or diesel powered ships? Plenty of customers don't care about latency, just cost. No fuel = no fuel cost.

You're really missing the point. The volume of cargo carried by sailing vessels in the old days was orders of magnitude lower. Not even remotely comparable to the current global trading system. Customers care about total cost, not just fuel. There is also crew wages, maintenance, insurance, capital depreciation, etc. Sailing vessels that carry useful amounts of cargo are much slower than equivalent motor vessels so a…

> You're really missing the point. The volume of cargo carried by sailing vessels in the old days was orders of magnitude lower.

At the end of commercial merchant sailing, the largest steel hulled merchant sailing vessels were about 1/10th the cargo capacity of a modern container ship, but actually pretty comparable in speed, which is limited more by the physics of displacement hulls in the water than the propulsion method.

Historically, sailing ships risked becalming, but that is no longer a risk, with improved weather routing and backup engines that allow them continue at full speed if the wind dies.

Considering that the cost of modern shipping is 50-60% fuel cost alone, and that in principle with modern tech sailing vessels won't require large crews, it is not clear to me that it can't be economically viable nowadays even at the scales already possible a century ago, nor that it would be impossible to develop tech to scale merchant sailing up to modern container ship sizes.

Re: Largest cargo sailboat completes first Atlantic crossing

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If you take climate change externalities into account, it just might be. Sure, your chocolate might be a bit more expensive, but at least your descendants will have some chocolate at all.

If you took climate change externalities into account you wouldn't allow selling of chocolate.

I was specifically talking about chocolate because I remember an interview of TFA's company's CEO where he would haul chocolate by sailboat, from South America to France. He would explain that even in an oil-less world, we'd still have chocolate in Europe. Just (way) less of it.

Ultimately, people should be free to choose how to spend their carbon budget. I haven't flown in years, I think I'm entitled to some chocolate from time to time.

Re: Largest cargo sailboat completes first Atlantic crossing

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There’s more than enough energy in the wind, and modern sailing technology has come a long ways. Some modern recreational sailboats can cross an ocean as fast as a cargo ship on just wind power, and speed isn’t even much of a factor for a lot of shipping. With the right tech I think fuel free shipping can disrupt fossil fuel shipping just by being cheaper. Back when engines first replaced sailing fuel was nearly free…

When engines first replaced sail, sail boats also required far higher crew numbers to operate. That's not the case today

In principle, with modern solid wing sail technology and computer controlled sail trim, a sailing vessel needs no more crew than a motor vessel.

Re: Largest cargo sailboat completes first Atlantic crossing

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Same and always wanted to be completely offline for that length of time.

I'd recommend a long canoe trip in Algonquin park (or somewhere similar nearby if there is something similar nearby) if offline is your goal (though obviously not entirely similar to an ocean crossing in other ways as well).

Is Algonquin that big? How long we talking here?

Re: Largest cargo sailboat completes first Atlantic crossing

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That really big question for society is how to force GHG emissions externalities to the polluters. In the current political climate it doesn't appear possible...

> how to force GHG emissions externalities to the polluters Not happening for decades. Not until America’s boomers, Xi and his wolf warriors and Putin and his circle are dead. Solar is a success because it’s economically viable. We need more solutions like that. Not conference presentations wrapping a regressive carbon tax as a sailboat.

Solar wasn't economical until China made the strategic decision to invest into cutting solar costs and scaling production up. Putin isn't relevant, nobody really listens to him (the reason why he is so mad). It's really the American boomers who are happy the cook the planet to own the libs.

Taxing CO2 isn't regressive - poor people don't fly to vacations or commute in unnecessarily large single-occupancy trucks.

Re: Largest cargo sailboat completes first Atlantic crossing

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This is just an unresearched idea so no for of feasibility, but what about helical windmills to generate electricity to augment power to a motor, ala hybrid gasoline/electric cars?

It’s probably one of the best understood methods of crossing oceans, just that all the knowledge has been forgotten. Recall how slaves were transported from Africa to the Americas. How gold was transported from the South America to Europe and sugar from the Caribbean. And not forgetting how opium was transported to China by the Europeans from India. So transporting stuff by sail is definitely not “unresearched” rathe…

You have misread my comment. It was a preamble to the rest of my post, not a criticism of the original idea.

Re: Largest cargo sailboat completes first Atlantic crossing

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I took the Queen Mary across a few years ago and it suuuuuuuucked and cost a frigging fortune. Their main target markets appear to be mennonites and uptight assholes.

Sure sounds like captive audiences for a resourceful prankster...

Now that sounds like a vacation worth my time and money. I like the way you think.

Re: Largest cargo sailboat completes first Atlantic crossing

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They have a passenger service too! €3200 for France Baltimore, 13 day trip. But with that you get three meals a day, a decent looking cabin, private bathroom, private balcony, and internet service (though how solid the connection is / what surcharges there may be is a question). ~€250/d doesn't sound too bad, and you could get work done along the way. Kind of sounds nice... https://www.voilasailcoop.fr/transatlantic/…

Considering it's a roll-on/roll-off ship, they're this close to providing a transatlantic passenger+vehicle ferry service, which would really be fun.

I’ve been looking for a reasonable way to get me and my motorcycle to Europe and back (rentals of my bike are $300/day, and I want to ride off-road occasionally, which isn’t great for rentals). I’ve also always wanted to sail the ocean. This could be a win.

Re: Largest cargo sailboat completes first Atlantic crossing

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Have long been interested in something like this. From where to where? How did you arrange the trip?

The easiest way to do it is on a repositioning cruise where at the end of the season the cruise lines take their ships from one market to another. The positives are a cheap cruise, the negatives are that you're right at the end and beginning of ideal seasons so your experience at each end might not be great. Also you'll have a lot more sea days and fewer port days which could be in either column. Weather at sea can b…

Yes exactly repositioning cruises ! I confirm what you're saying. Sometimes you also get people who were visiting a continent going back home. For example Brasilians going back home in December for their summer

Modern ships built in the last 10 years have stabilizers. I've been in a big cruiseship without stabilizer before and it can indeed move a lot laterally up and down (in the directions orthogonal to the direction of the ship). So, for people afraid of that just research if the ship has stabilizers

Re: Largest cargo sailboat completes first Atlantic crossing

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I crossed the atlantic twice, each time for 650 euros the 13 days… add 250/300 euros for internet

What type of ship was it? And how was the experience, did you enjoy the trip & find enough to do to stay busy/not bored along the way?

Big commercial cruiseships from Norwegian NCL and Costa Cruises

It was amazing ! Perfect to relax, take a step back and think

There's plenty of things to do, you can hang out with others, read a book, work online, look at waves all day long, go to the gym etc.

The real danger is eating too much, food at restaurants is unlimited, even at official table service you can order multiple mains, multiple desserts etc. they won't say anything

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