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Post by thechao »

tedivm wrote: post #45
thechao wrote: post #31

A large part of this lawlessness is rooted in nonnormative behavior. But! there are basic protections we could have right now if we demanded them. First and foremost: the Bivens Act; specifically, the right to bring suit in State court against Federal agents. Presidential pardons can't help these thugs in State persons.

Until the supreme court overturns that.

Bivens act, not case. The act modifies the statutes. It's been read but not voted on.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/334...

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Post by nobody9999 »

msandford wrote: post #145
toomuchtodo wrote: post #53

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Tribalism, identity politics, low education and lack of respect for education and intellectualism, and late stage capitalism. A cautionary tale, for sure. People are angry, rightfully so, but at the wrong people. Thank Reagan (economics) and Gingrich (politics) for a lot of this we’re facing. Deepfriedchokes is right; we need stronger, more robust systems to protect humans from other humans, because we cannot trust t…

The Biden admin (no idea if Biden himself was involved) literally sued Texas to stop Texas from enforcing border law. This same admin also essentially redefined "asylum" to be economic asylum rather than "I'm afraid that if I go back to my country I'll be killed" which is how people typically thought of asylum. You can absolutely think that what's happening now is an overreaction, un-American, gross, illegal, and mor…

>But if you're unwilling to try and understand how it's possible that over half the country voted for someone who would enact policies that lead to what we're seeing now, you're simply not paying attention.

Actually it was more like 25% of those eligible to vote, not "over half the country."

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Post by hypeatei »

xdennis wrote: post #361
esseph wrote: post #335

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Laws and morality often conflict. The US is currently attacking foreign citizens outside the United States without due process. Israel has multiple government members currently with warrants for arrest for genocide. Just because something is legal or illegal doesn't make it right.

> The US is currently attacking foreign citizens outside the United States without due process. When has military action every used due process? If you don't agree that the military should be used against suspected narco-terorrists, then say that. But they kill about 70000 Americans a year just with Fentanyl overdoses. I don't think killing 70 narco-terrorists (so far) is much of an escalation.

> suspected narco-terorrists

Ooooh scary, Venezuelans on flimsy boats transporting cocaine (not fentanyl) are terrorizing the US government... how exactly? I don't believe small fishing boats coming from Venezuela are the root of the fentanyl crisis.

If you're an ardent supporter of this administration no matter what they do, then say that. Your usage of "narco-terrorist" and saying they (who is they?) kill 70k Americans/year shows me that you're heavily bought into the official government narrative which is quite something.

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Post by drewbug01 »

scoofy wrote: post #379
jamtur01 wrote: post #374

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You are familiar with the 4th Amendment? These acts are a clear violation of 4th Amendment rights, rights which extend to both citizens and non-citizens.

>When do ICE agents need a warrant to arrest immigrants? >A judicial warrant is a legal order authorizing law enforcement’s search, seizure or arrest on private property. Judicial warrants are signed by a judge. >Immigration agents also use administrative warrants, which carry lower legal weight. Administrative warrants are signed by federal agents such as immigration judges or officers. These warrants allow ICE agen…

You keep saying “nullification”. Can you explain precisely what you mean by that?

Because as far as I’m aware, immigration law is not a concern of the state, and what folks typically mean when they say “nullification” in this context is “the state isn’t doing the fed’s job for them.”

You also brought up warrants to enter private property. What do you make of the incident a few days ago where an agent hopped a fence to arrest someone, without a warrant? Should we just ignore those violations of our rights?

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Post by tomhow »

xdennis wrote: post #365
tedivm wrote: post #39

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I live in Chicago, and this article doesn't even scratch the surface of how bad it is. My wife went to the beach yesterday for 10 minutes to try and rest from the chaos and a fucking black hawk helicopter buzzed by her. They literally fly over my house daily. People, US citizens included, are literally being abducted. People have been shot and killed by masked agents. People have had their children abandoned on the s…

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> Show me a case where an ICE officer has been convicted of abduction.

> Or are you just saying that because you think you get to have a veto over every arrest?

Please don't cross-examine on HN. The guidelines make it clear we're trying for curious conversation here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by mystraline »

lurk2 wrote: post #349
esseph wrote: post #342

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You assumed for some reason I was talking about deporting people and not attacking people in boats with hellfire missiles. "Remotely comparable" or not, I was discussing the disconnect between legal and moral.

> You assumed for some reason I was talking about deporting people and not attacking people in boats with hellfire missiles. No, I understood you clearly as you said “outside the United States.” My point was that American military adventurism still wouldn’t justify terrorism. I then went on to describe how the majority of deportees have plainly violated the law, and that even if some proportion of deportees had their…

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Post by EasyMark »

testing22321 wrote: post #282
chasil wrote: post #278

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That will certainly not work for children, as their faces change. I live in Illinois. Since Republican governor Ryan gave chauffers licenses to undocumented immigrants (resulting in fatalities), it is certain that an Illinois license is worthless. I had hoped that an ID issued by the U.S. Department of State would be a safeguard. Perhaps not, but wise to obtain both forms, for the judge.

> That will certainly not work for children, as their faces change. I think that is the point.

That and they don't care. I think they are selected to be robots for the regime, and their training eventually expanded for all police work as a private army for the King. I don't believe that they are just for "ICE activities". Their budget dwarfs others like the DEA and CIA now with the "big bogus bill". Reminds me of certain other historical police force origins.

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Post by EasyMark »

chasil wrote: post #332
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #302

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Quite frankly, are you so naive as to think they give a shit? ICE is a gestapo and who they want to be illegal is illegal and can be whisked away. No consequences, no retaliation. They now have an all-knowing oracle who tells them the ultimate truth, all evidence be damned.

Then none of these documents are worth the paper upon which they are printed, and the advice has provable negative value? Do tell. https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-re...

your documents will only help you in court. ICE does not care at all, and they do not care about due process or your constitutional rights. Just hope they don't ship you off to South Sudan before your relatives can get your citizenship documents if you happen to be a brown person.

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Post by galangalalgol »

lurk2 wrote: post #313
daseiner1 wrote: post #295

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ok great, you made it all the way to the second article before you found something you thought you could pull a misleading quote from. Said quote is, appropriately enough, from a woman in the administration whose job is to provide "cover" for her own agency. and you not-so-gracefully just elide key facts in the same article like: "the agents were not invited inside the building, did not have a warrant, and were armed…

> before you found something you thought you could pull a misleading quote from Do you have any information not presented in the article that suggests that this woman had legal status to reside in the country, and / or that she was not apprehended during a pursuit? I’m not putting it past an official to lie about these kinds of things, but if this woman had the facts on her side you would usually have heard about it…

There are multiple videos of ICE leaving an arrest in such a hurry they ram into a passing car that had the right of way. Unmarked cars with no lights follow normal traffic laws. They proceeded to yank the US citizen driving it out of her car and take her with them. She was detained without access to representation and then released without charges. That is unlawful arrest, and probably reckless endangerment. It is claimed that ICE does not need a warrant to enter a place. The fourth amendment says otherwise whatever other laws say. If they enter a place without a warrant seeking evidence, that is unlawful search and seizure. They laughed as they shot multiple people in the head with pepper balls. Some of them were not even near protests, they were just having fun. The training for those rounds explicitly calls out not to do that as it can be lethal. That is assault with a deadly weapon. If it could be proved they had that training, it might be argued as attempted second degree murder.

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Post by inemesitaffia »

nicbou wrote: post #392
inemesitaffia wrote: post #388

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>teacher Citizen or legal immigrant? Carer or teacher?

Would one of the combinations make it acceptable?

I'm looking for the appropriate description of what's going on.

Somehow I'm led to believe it's okay to move into any country and Bhutan's restrictions on visitors are a-okay in the same breath.

Canada's not far and it's not true there either.

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