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Does the internet move so fast that people have forgotten his Roman salute at the trump rally?

Why is he licking Israel boot is he's a neo nazi ? It's almost as if being a piece of shit doesn't immediately make you a nazi, we should move on from ww2 era lingo, new things need new terms. When everyone is a fascist and a nazi no one is, and it weakens the original terms to the point of them being meaningless

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism

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Does the internet move so fast that people have forgotten his Roman salute at the trump rally?

There’s a candidate with a literal Nazi symbol tattooed on his chest and not one democrat condemned him or demanded he drop out. Guess his party affiliation. So let’s just be clear that nobody is playing this fake outrage game anymore.

Multiple people can be nazi shitheads.

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It's a shame that the top comments are focusing more on Elon Musk, his personality and politics rather than the quality of the model per se. Speaking about Elon, regardless of what you think of him, he really does get things done, despite naysayers -- SpaceX, Tesla, Neuralink and even get Trump elected ( despite subsequent fallout) etc. Even Twitter is finding a second life by becoming a haven for the free speech adv…

In my understanding of the hacker ethos, hackers appear to be genuinely nice people who mean to do good for society and regular people. Elon does not align with those values according to some people so they reject him and his activities.

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So let’s focus on the specifics things he does and says. Instead of compressing everything into a single word (which unfortunately lost much of its meaning and has been massively devalued). Nazism is a specific, relatively, defined and extremely dark ideology. If we apply it to every unhinged off brand pseudo-fascist it can really distort the views people might start having about the original ideology.

That's why I wrote "neo-nazi" and not Nazi. I'm German and I listened to all the stories my grandparents told me about the Nazi reign. In my my opinion he is f'ing Neo-nazi and if he isn't he behaves like one which in the end is the same.

You know what I learned about the Nazis from my Grandparents? Not every German was a Nazi. In fact just short above 50% voted for them. And the Nazis didn't start with war and Auschwitz. That was peak Nazi. They started with “Awake, Germany!” and river cruises.

The Holocaust was also possible because far too many people who were essentially decent turned a blind eye and found excuses for the Nazis until it was too late.

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Basically yes. China doesn't have a democracy, and it's government isn't bound by it's laws. If CCP thinks deepseek or any other product/tech can be a beneficial to Chinese strategy they will come knocking, and there's no denying whatever they demand. It can be backdooring, data harvesting, etc, there's really no saying how far they might go.

Maybe if you're using their site directly, but what about the open models?

Well, not using the site probably means that you're avoiding the mini-LLMs powdered before and after the main LLM to provide filters (including some layers of censorship) and the system prompt.

So I guess it depends on how deep the bias sits. And that is something that may vary with time. Grok has been a good example of this, with the bias initially being introduced as system prompts, then apparently moved to synthetic data used to train the further generations of Grok.

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As you point out, Sam Altman is not exactly an altar boy: https://fastcompany.co.za/business/2025-11-07-sam-altmans-tr...

Thought this would be about the whistleblower. They didn't even mention it!

Yes allegedly having an employee bumped off for whistleblowing and the sister thing is way worse than someone having a different opinion than you. One is criminal the other is free speech.

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At least the Chinese models are open source, so you don't need to send money to the Chinese government to use them (unlike Grok 4, where you need to send money to Elon Musk)

“Open source” doesn’t mean “independent.” Most of those labs are state-linked and operate under laws that require compliance with party policy. The CCP plays a long game, they want dependency, not donations. Once enough people adopt their stack, they’ll set the governance norms and compliance rules around it. It’s not paranoia, it’s policy. Go read their New Generation AI Development Plan, they’ve been explicit about…

I agree with you. However, open weights (please let's not call these "open source", they are essentially binary blobs) are easier to fine-tune.

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Who here actually uses Grok? It's sad to see Elon's arc but when he doubled down on some of his political ideas he had it coming with the Tesla sales going down and x.ai not taken seriously. I've always tried to remain apolitical and unbiased but it's hard to overlook who's behind a technology you wanna buy. Not that sama and others are saints either, it's just Elon's very obvious and vocal about it. It's a shame, re…

Going off OpenRouter's rankings ( https://openrouter.ai/rankings ), Grok Code Fast 1 is the most used model by a significant margin, and since those metrics are calculated as of this week, that's after providers stopped giving free promotional access to it. Grok 4 Fast is #5 on that list which was never free. In terms of models, Grok 4 Fast has essentially zero restrictions on safety, which a) makes it unusable for m…

It's the only model that lets you do gooner shit. That's why the usage is highly skewed. You can just call a horse a horse if you see one.

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Not defending anyone, but by that logic, you shouldn’t be using any Chinese models either.

If I had to pick between a Chinese model and an American model based on the country's politics it would be China every time.

I wouldn't go quite as far but overall i agree
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