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Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

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Re: Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

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Post by nsoonhui »

It's a shame that the top comments are focusing more on Elon Musk, his personality and politics rather than the quality of the model per se.

Speaking about Elon, regardless of what you think of him, he really does get things done, despite naysayers -- SpaceX, Tesla, Neuralink and even get Trump elected ( despite subsequent fallout) etc. Even Twitter is finding a second life by becoming a haven for the free speech advocates and alternative views, much to the chagrin of MSMs because they now no longer have the monopoly on the "truth", and censoring "fake news" becomes hard.

People like Elon are almost by definition contrarian ( you don't change the world by being a conformist), that should align well with the predilection of the intended audience here. So it's a surprise to me that HNs are almost uniformly, vehemently anti-Musk. It's almost as if the ultimate embodiment of the hacker spirit -- Musk -- is being rejected by his own kind, the very kind that he is supposed to inspire.

Re: Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

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Post by kburman »

alpineman wrote: post #96
kburman wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not defending anyone, but by that logic, you shouldn’t be using any Chinese models either.

At least the Chinese models are open source, so you don't need to send money to the Chinese government to use them (unlike Grok 4, where you need to send money to Elon Musk)

“Open source” doesn’t mean “independent.” Most of those labs are state-linked and operate under laws that require compliance with party policy.

The CCP plays a long game, they want dependency, not donations. Once enough people adopt their stack, they’ll set the governance norms and compliance rules around it.

It’s not paranoia, it’s policy. Go read their New Generation AI Development Plan, they’ve been explicit about it since 2017.

Re: Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

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Post by port3000 »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #9

I had a failed refactor with Codex recently and I am wondering if context window size is the cause.

I use Claude Code, haven't used Codex yet (should I?) - but in Claude code you can spin up sub-agents to handle these big refactors, with the master context window just keeping track of the overall progress, bugs, etc and providing instructions to the subagents to do the rote work.

Re: Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

#104

Post by enraged_camel »

wqaatwt wrote: post #95
enraged_camel wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The guy spends most of his time signal-boosting deeply racist, antisemitic, white supremacist stuff on X. He's obsessed with stuff like "replacement theory" and constantly insists white people must make as many babies as possible to maintain their cultural superiority and avoid being outnumbered by other races. You don't have to believe me. Go check for yourself.

I do. You’re certainly right. I just don’t like reducing the entire political compass to “marxist/smth.” and “nazis”. That both devalues these words and and leaves out any nuance. Guys like Trump or Putin are not nazis (yet). They do resemble Mussolini on various and often quite deep levels. So fascist would probably be the more correct term. As for Musk I’m not sure. Drugs and whatever mental issues he’s suffering f…

My philosophy is "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck". Is there a chance that it's not a duck? Sure. Does it matter? Not unless you're a duck scientist. Ultimately I find that there is very little to gain from thinking hard about whether they are just Nazi boosters/sympathizers or actual Neo-nazis, because in practical terms it makes virtually no difference.

Re: Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

#105

Post by free_bip »

legacynl wrote: post #98
snthpy wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that? Does Chinese company really equal Chinese government?

Basically yes. China doesn't have a democracy, and it's government isn't bound by it's laws. If CCP thinks deepseek or any other product/tech can be a beneficial to Chinese strategy they will come knocking, and there's no denying whatever they demand. It can be backdooring, data harvesting, etc, there's really no saying how far they might go.

Maybe if you're using their site directly, but what about the open models?

Re: Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

#106

Post by wqaatwt »

enraged_camel wrote: post #104
wqaatwt wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do. You’re certainly right. I just don’t like reducing the entire political compass to “marxist/smth.” and “nazis”. That both devalues these words and and leaves out any nuance. Guys like Trump or Putin are not nazis (yet). They do resemble Mussolini on various and often quite deep levels. So fascist would probably be the more correct term. As for Musk I’m not sure. Drugs and whatever mental issues he’s suffering f…

My philosophy is "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck". Is there a chance that it's not a duck? Sure. Does it matter? Not unless you're a duck scientist. Ultimately I find that there is very little to gain from thinking hard about whether they are just Nazi boosters/sympathizers or actual Neo-nazis, because in practical terms it makes virtually no difference.

I do see your point about how avoiding thinking hard leads to seeing virtually no difference between various somewhat nuanced topics.

Oversimplifying everything, reducing complexity into simple catchphrases and extreme cognitive dissonance is what the “other” side is all about. Adopting their overall approach seems somewhat counterproductive longterm…

Re: Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

#107

Post by littlestymaar »

kburman wrote: post #62
straydusk wrote: post #37

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Not defending anyone, but by that logic, you shouldn’t be using any Chinese models either.

True, though the the position of the CCP on Falun gong or Tiananmen square protests are much less likely to impact the life of a westerner than those of Elon.

Re: Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

#109

Post by nurettin »

snthpy wrote: post #84
kburman wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not defending anyone, but by that logic, you shouldn’t be using any Chinese models either.

Why is that? Does Chinese company really equal Chinese government?

Probably, as much as US company equals US government.

Re: Grok 4 Fast now has 2M context window

#110

Post by realusername »

wqaatwt wrote: post #100
Lapel2742 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

So let’s focus on the specifics things he does and says. Instead of compressing everything into a single word (which unfortunately lost much of its meaning and has been massively devalued). Nazism is a specific, relatively, defined and extremely dark ideology. If we apply it to every unhinged off brand pseudo-fascist it can really distort the views people might start having about the original ideology.

I don't see what else you would need, he did the nazi salute, supported nazi parties and ideologies financially and publicly, what else would be needed?

Let's be real, he's only getting a pass because it's Musk.

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