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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by inahga »

selectodude wrote: post #141
tedivm wrote: post #130

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I live here, and Pritzker says the right things then does the wrong things. He sent the Illinois State Police to help protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their resources to attack and kidnap people. In half the videos you see out there his state police as assisting ICE. We have Chicago Aldermen out in the streets and in the hospitals getting arrested and assaulted, we have candidates for congress lik…

I think the reality is far scarier - he doesn’t have nearly as much power over ISP as he should.

If he doesn't, he needs to be forthright about it in his speeches and podcasts. "The ISP is disobeying my direct orders."

Until then, he bears responsibility for their actions.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by kasey_junk »

roxolotl wrote: post #163
khannn wrote: post #151

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Some of the allegations around the Canadian assisted suicides are absolutely indefensible and heinous but a tourist isn’t likely to encounter it. Even if you support the actions by the Trump administration, honestly especially so given the assertion is the cities are dangerous, it seems reasonable as a tourist to want to avoid countries, like the US, where there are active operations by military and paramilitary forc…

ICE agents took people from normal activities (ie not protests) from Grant park (the park in downtown with the famous bean sculpture tourists go to) recently.

They are snatching people all over the city without warrants. I would not say tourists are unlikely to encounter their operations.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by tptacek »

tedivm wrote: post #130
tr4ce wrote: post #122

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It is really bad. A glimmer of hope is a governor with a spine. https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/the-new-yorker-radio-hour/...

I live here, and Pritzker says the right things then does the wrong things. He sent the Illinois State Police to help protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their resources to attack and kidnap people. In half the videos you see out there his state police as assisting ICE. We have Chicago Aldermen out in the streets and in the hospitals getting arrested and assaulted, we have candidates for congress lik…

Right now, I agree pretty strongly with this. In particular: Pritzker is the command in chief of the Illinois State Police. But the ISP is very conservative and fairly MAGA, and ISP has staffed protests pretty aggressively. Pritzker has in theory the ability to reorient ISP away from policing protesters and towards protecting them from DHS, and he has pointedly not done so.

Even if he's just OK, doing a replacement-level competent job of being a governor dealing with a problem he himself did not have a hand in creating, this is his opportunity to demonstrate leadership during a crisis, and he's flubbing it. He's asking (we assume) for the highest job in the land, so he doesn't get to ask to be graded on a curve this time.

(Not a fan of Kat Abu, though).

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by fluidcruft »

tptacek wrote: post #170
fluidcruft wrote: post #166

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RSNA is coming up later this month and generally I always attend but I'm probably just going to skip it. Just about nobody I know is going.

Understandable, but note that decisions like that are part of the adminstration's objectives. This isn't a Chicago policy; it's a federal targeting of Chicago for political reasons.

I don't need to make whatever is going on between Chicago and Trump my personal problem.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by tptacek »

selectodude wrote: post #141
tedivm wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live here, and Pritzker says the right things then does the wrong things. He sent the Illinois State Police to help protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their resources to attack and kidnap people. In half the videos you see out there his state police as assisting ICE. We have Chicago Aldermen out in the streets and in the hospitals getting arrested and assaulted, we have candidates for congress lik…

I think the reality is far scarier - he doesn’t have nearly as much power over ISP as he should.

He does not. People working in public service law could have told you that long before Trump won the election. That's sort of not on him; it's its own political power center. But that's his problem to solve now.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by abraxas »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #30
ryandrake wrote: post #4

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The problem is how many people enthusiastically voted for this madness, lawlessness and cruelty, and are still cheering it on. You can say "vote, vote, vote," and maybe it will work in 2026 or 2028, or 2030 or whenever, but the root problem is not going away: you are still surrounded by people all over the country who want this.

Margin of victory was ~2M votes, about how many voters 55+ die in a year. Hopefully enough voters have aged out or learned their lesson next time around (considering election results we've seen in the last week or so [1]). You're never going to convince unsavory voters to vote with empathy, the subject brain structure does not support it (anterior insular cortex, primarily), you can only hope they're aging out of the…

Complete hopium. I remember twenty years ago as we witnessed the second term of W and the talks about the republican party's base dying out and losing their support with it. Yet 21 years later they are going stronger than ever with just mayhem and chaos to show for it. Nothing constructive accomplished in two decades. They either obstructed when out of power or favoured the billionaire class when in power. Yet they rebranded themselves as the "revolutionary" party and suckered enough idiots to vote for them enthusiastically.

You are fucked, American friends. And we're all fucked with you and because of you. When you sneeze the rest of the world catches a Covid sized cold so you're taking down the rest of us with you.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by jeffrallen »

galangalalgol wrote: post #93
carterschonwald wrote: post #28

This shit is so fucked up. And at a certain level I’m disappointed that we are still trying to fix it peaceably when every day of delay, there is irreparable harm to physical wellness, mental health and rights as citizens or residents. Also science in America is fucked for the next decade.

Violent resolution of the situation would almost certainly result in a society with even fewer freedoms. That is the historical lesson. Violent resistance to authoritarian takeovers gives them an air of legitimacy they need. That is the whole point of chicago and the attempt in Portland. They want violent resistance to justify crack downs. Instead they look like storm troopers. I am in awe of the restraint of those l…

Republicans are controlled by big business and billionaires. I agree that violence isn't the solution, because to these guys, money talks.

What we need is a general strike. Shut the entire country down, teachers, warehouse workers, supermarket employees truckers. Everyone on the streets, refusing to make money for their billionaire bosses. When it hurts their profits, they will relent.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by kasey_junk »

stackedinserter wrote: post #161

The only question for OP and other chicagonians: why don't you organize and push back? It seems like the overwhelming majority of city population including local police doesn't support this, so go ahead and do something instead of crying on HN.

There are protests everyday you walnut and the administration is using that as a pretense to move in honest to god military troops.

Nearly everyone I know (including my 80 year old neighbor) has been to a protest. You can go to an organizing meeting any day of the week in any neighborhood in the city. We are all walking around with whistles for signaling when ice comes and kids are making them on 3d printers in the library.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by tptacek »

fluidcruft wrote: post #174
tptacek wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Understandable, but note that decisions like that are part of the adminstration's objectives. This isn't a Chicago policy; it's a federal targeting of Chicago for political reasons.

I don't need to make whatever is going on between Chicago and Trump my personal problem.

Totally fair.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by HeinzStuckeIt »

sgentle wrote: post #147
HeinzStuckeIt wrote: post #16

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> This is supported by a majority of the US. The election was fairly close. The winning candidate got elected by a coalition of people with differing views on an number of individual items within his platform. That does not equate to certain approval by the majority of the American population of any of the things the linked article recounts. All that said, as an American living abroad who votes left, the use of terms…

Do you not think there might be a relationship between the lack of due process and the choice of terms? Like, maybe the defining difference between arrest and abduction is whether the action is the output of an accountable system of justice, rather than whether the people doing it are the right kind of people and the people having it done to them are the wrong kind of people.

For some years now there has been a segment of the American left, particularly visible on social media, who believes that strictly enforcing immigration laws at all is bad. This predates the current guy, as well as his administration as the former guy. So, when I read an article by someone like the writer here whose online activity has other shibboleths of a left more extreme than found in mainstream parties in many other democracies, my assumption is he is coming out of this trend and the current events, as appalled as he is by them, is not the ultimate cause of his use of that loaded language.
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