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Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by bowsamic »

duxup wrote: post #3

Ads in Maps and how that contrasts with the customer experience is the message here. I'll be honest, I'm tired of the "steve jobs wouldn't" and "apple dying" articles, they're oh so shrill and tiresome and I think Steve would have changed with the times too ... Steve aside, I find this particular article's observation that ads in maps is a bad customer experience something I can agree with.

I agree I’m also tired of it. It’s all so hypothetical, trying to guess what a dead man would think. Who cares anyway? He made loads of bad decisions

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Post by mort96 »

Hammershaft wrote: post #294
amelius wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI will soon make this difference (if it even exists) irrelevant.

How will AI change this situation? I don't catch your drift.

The only thing I can imagine is that both Apple and Microsoft will bog down the desktop equally in AI garbage, to the point where both are approximately equally unusable.

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Post by graemep »

mason_mpls wrote: post #16
generalpf wrote: post #8

It doesn't matter what Steve Jobs would or wouldn't do, Tim Cook took Apple to a $3T company and that's where we are.

Yeah every action a company takes is immediately and completely reflected in the market cap /s

It should be, or, to be precise, everything it is publicly known to have done is reflected in its share price.

its called the semi-strong form of the efficient markets hypothesis.

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Post by amelius »

Hammershaft wrote: post #294
amelius wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI will soon make this difference (if it even exists) irrelevant.

How will AI change this situation? I don't catch your drift.

Briefly, with an example: instead of going through menus looking for the option you need, you can just tell the AI (with a voice command) what you want to do. At that point it does not matter who has the nicest menus.

Advanced users are already seeing this. You don't need HandBrake anymore. You can just use ffmpeg directly and ChatGPT will tell you the command line arguments.

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Post by TheAtomic »

THIS! Ads, misusing notifications (thank LinkedIn for that idea), Tahoe's self-indulgent UI, changes for no reason than some new designer has an idea, getting things ready for spatial, the stupid dispute with Nvidia...

Apple has a ruthless competitive upper echelon that gets rewarded on metrics that prioritize market hits and revenue increases. Get ready for more of this.

Obligatory I've been using Macs since the SE comment but I know Apple gives 2 damns about that.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by etempleton »

These moves are the dumbest thing Apple can do for the long- term. It is one of the few differentiators they have between Android and Windows.

The App Store ads are one thing, it is a store after all, but adding ads to a core OS functionality like Maps is clear degradation of service. When people spend 1 to 2 grand on a premium phone they don’t expect to see ads, ever.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by zitterbewegung »

TheAtomic wrote: post #305

THIS! Ads, misusing notifications (thank LinkedIn for that idea), Tahoe's self-indulgent UI, changes for no reason than some new designer has an idea, getting things ready for spatial, the stupid dispute with Nvidia... Apple has a ruthless competitive upper echelon that gets rewarded on metrics that prioritize market hits and revenue increases. Get ready for more of this. Obligatory I've been using Macs since the SE…

The NVIDIA dispute was from the 2000s when NVIDIA had discrete graphics in the Macbook Pro line but they all started failing and this was during Steve's tenure.

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Post by 05 »

mrandish wrote: post #193
gwd wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um, no? Apple Music wasn't even a thing in the iPhone 4S timeframe. You used to buy music in the iTunes Store, and play it in the music player app. It used to be if you clicked the App Store, and you had apps to update, it would take you to the "Update" tab immediately. Then they changed it to take you to the main page, and you had to click the "Update" tab. Then they changed the updates to be under your account; so…

> If I honestly thought Android would be any different I haven't used an iOS device for over a decade so I'm not familiar with exactly how it may be different now - but it sounds quite different. Here's how I use media on Android. All files are DRM-free generic formats (MP3, FLAC, EPUB) organized in folders on a removable 512GB micro SD card which auto-syncs between my desktop, laptop, Android tablet, phone and a gen…

I'm sure the SD thing works for you but some people need music discovery and open source options are lacking there. When you can set up a radio station backed by RED/Lidarr and not have your account go on ratio watch in hours, then we'll talk..

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Post by m-schuetz »

strictnein wrote: post #95
gwd wrote: post #75

> From that point on, Steve would go on to spend lavishly on things that improved the experience, and he would reject—often brutally—any idea that diluted or harmed the experience. ...I’ll go out on a limb and say that uninvited advertising is not normally equated with a better customer experience. YES!!! SOO much of the Apple user experience has degraded due to this. I can't listen to my own music that I bought on t…

This is how Amazon is too with the movies and tv shows you bought. There's no way to search your owned library anymore. You just have to page through it to find what you want. And your library is hidden away behind a tiny little unlabeled icon in the upper right corner. And, to make matters worse, you have things like the Charlie Brown Halloween Special, which Apple now owns the rights to. You cannot in any way searc…

I've canceled Amazon Prime precisely due to this issue. All I wanted was to browse the videos that are included in the subscription, but instead I'm bombarded with videos that I need to pay extra for. Which made me recognzize that the subscription is useless, so I'll watch videos at other streaming platforms.

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Post by techscruggs »

Remember that Steve Jobs appointed his COO Tim Cook to take over Apple. Not Ives or Cue or Federighi. I've always seen this as an acknowledgment that without Jobs the company would not be able to innovate in the same way.

Having acknowledged that, Apple shifted to the value extraction phase of its business lifecycle.

It sucks.

It like when your favorite band starts selling out, but as publicly traded company, I am not sure it is avoidable.

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