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Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by TZubiri »

>It didn’t matter that customers would be free to choose a version with or without ads. He didn’t want any user to see the OS polluted in this way.

Another subtle but distinct user experience cost of this would be that every user is given the option to choose between one option or the other, and that is already part of the user experience, and it has a cost.

It's similar to the idea that more options are not better, you can't just keep adding more settings and levers and pulleys knobs on the task bar and the settings and the profile and the customization tab and the control panel, and the privacy center, etc...

Each choice has a UX cost. Even if it's technically outside of the software and it occurs at the shop. The product line is the first part of the experience, will you choose a product? a product XL? A product XL Pro?

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by TZubiri »

duxup wrote: post #3

Ads in Maps and how that contrasts with the customer experience is the message here. I'll be honest, I'm tired of the "steve jobs wouldn't" and "apple dying" articles, they're oh so shrill and tiresome and I think Steve would have changed with the times too ... Steve aside, I find this particular article's observation that ads in maps is a bad customer experience something I can agree with.

>I'll be honest, I'm tired of the "steve jobs wouldn't" and "apple dying" articles, they're oh so shrill and tiresome and I think Steve would have changed with the times too ...

Ok, but it's true, the man died, the company is public, and like all companies they will eventually profit off the brand by making a shitty product.

It's all rug pulls, try a Hershey's chocolate bar, mine had soy in it.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by plussed_reader »

This 'red line' was quite apparent around 10.14 when macOS and iOS were set on the collision course we see today in Ta-hoe. So much wasted visual space in the last 5 releases, making room for touch.

I doubt we'll see a pseudo macOS mode on mobileOS, but the mirroring for iOS in the last 2 major releases of macOS is just a jump to the left of local emulation.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by pzo »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #202
pzo wrote: post #112

Sadly iPhone sales and revenue saturated like 4 years ago (and the same for Mac, Wearables and iPad [0]). They focus now a lot on growing revenue from services. Which is kind of sad because they have still much room to grow Mac and iPad: - just make iPad more useful and support MacOS - it's not gonna canibalize Mac, they sale each year 2x more iPads than Macs and 12x more iPhones than Macs. - make macbook Pro standar…

This is easily disapproved by just looking at their charts. Especially if you remove the Covid bump. https://sixcolors.com/post/2025/11/apples-fiscal-2025-in-cha... And even a little bit of analysis will show none of your ideas will grow the bottom line.

your chart shows total revenue but not per category but even so it shows the last 4 years revenue didn't grow that much as before and its mostly growing because grow in services revenue.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by CWuestefeld »

mrandish wrote: post #193
gwd wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Um, no? Apple Music wasn't even a thing in the iPhone 4S timeframe. You used to buy music in the iTunes Store, and play it in the music player app. It used to be if you clicked the App Store, and you had apps to update, it would take you to the "Update" tab immediately. Then they changed it to take you to the main page, and you had to click the "Update" tab. Then they changed the updates to be under your account; so…

> If I honestly thought Android would be any different I haven't used an iOS device for over a decade so I'm not familiar with exactly how it may be different now - but it sounds quite different. Here's how I use media on Android. All files are DRM-free generic formats (MP3, FLAC, EPUB) organized in folders on a removable 512GB micro SD card which auto-syncs between my desktop, laptop, Android tablet, phone and a gen…

I do it similar to you, except that I use PlexAmp for my music.

But I have to note that you and I are the exception. The VAST majority of users are, I think, doing it through, if not the Play Store itself, then some other service (e.g., Spotify).

That said, though, at least we have this option. But is there any reason that an iPhone user can't just use PlexAmp like I do? I'm pretty sure that Firefox is available to them as well.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by siva7 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #182
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #123

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> I’m convinced you can’t have your cake and eat it too. There’s no nice way to call someone’s baby ugly. They’re going to be upset, no matter how delicately you phrase it. I agree in a vacuum, but we're not in a vacuum, we're talking about Steve Jobs. A dude who would semi-regularly send coworkers and subordinates out of rooms in tears, throw shit around the office, and in general make a complete ass of himself. Lik…

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> It’s like girls in dating. They say they want a sensitive guy, but end up getting married to the jock with the big muscles.

Those getting married to the jock never said they just want a sensitive guy. Some value big muscles more than others, but certainly not the majority.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by com2kid »

mulmen wrote: post #200
com2kid wrote: post #194

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I call it the first mover disadvantage! (I was there first hand to witness it again and again!) Bill Gates is terrifyingly smart. He sees trends decades ahead. But knowing something is coming (smart TVs) does you no good without timing. You build a first gen product, accrue mountains of legacy tech debt in the process (being first is hard! There is no one else to learn lessons from!) and then a competitor comes along…

So what’s the lesson for future business leaders? Someone has to be first. What can a first mover do to get to that second generation product?

Apple is the often sung master of this.

Jobs waited for the right time for mobile and tablets. Apple also waited for smart watches as well. Same goes for Car Play. They seemed to have ran out of patience waiting for AR/VR.0

There was a company called Kosmo (Kosmo?) during the first .com bubble. Basically door dash / Uber eats but way too early.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by pzo »

cyberax wrote: post #204
torben-friis wrote: post #131

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>What are you going to do, move to Android? Why not? If ads are coming anyway why pay the apple tax.

But Blue Bubbles! And iMessage, and you will need to move your photos. Also Music, movies and other stuff.

iMessage is only popular in US, I rarely seen someone using it in europe or asia. For movies and music people have spotify and netflix these days. There is only small hassle for non-tech savvy to move photos.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

pzo wrote: post #214
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is easily disapproved by just looking at their charts. Especially if you remove the Covid bump. https://sixcolors.com/post/2025/11/apples-fiscal-2025-in-cha... And even a little bit of analysis will show none of your ideas will grow the bottom line.

your chart shows total revenue but not per category but even so it shows the last 4 years revenue didn't grow that much as before and its mostly growing because grow in services revenue.

The last chart

https://i0.wp.com/sixcolors.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/2...

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by mannanj »

metabagel wrote: post #36

I ran a reverse image search on the image of Steve Jobs, and couldn't come up with anything, so it does appear that it might be AI generated, which I don't approve of.

This author is a man who worked closely with Steve Jobs, and the photo was obviously AI generated, so I think this gives him leeway to do such a thing.
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