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Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by lenerdenator »

gwd wrote: post #75

> From that point on, Steve would go on to spend lavishly on things that improved the experience, and he would reject—often brutally—any idea that diluted or harmed the experience. ...I’ll go out on a limb and say that uninvited advertising is not normally equated with a better customer experience. YES!!! SOO much of the Apple user experience has degraded due to this. I can't listen to my own music that I bought on t…

Apple's beancounters have figured out that they just have to be more polished than Microsoft and Google's environments, and despite the legitimate complaints you've made, they still are.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by jiggawatts »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #123
jiggawatts wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m convinced you can’t have your cake and eat it too. There’s no nice way to call someone’s baby ugly. They’re going to be upset, no matter how delicately you phrase it. Worse still, if you’re too polite, many people won’t “get” the message. “Oh, he just thinks my baby has interesting and unique features.”

> I’m convinced you can’t have your cake and eat it too. There’s no nice way to call someone’s baby ugly. They’re going to be upset, no matter how delicately you phrase it. I agree in a vacuum, but we're not in a vacuum, we're talking about Steve Jobs. A dude who would semi-regularly send coworkers and subordinates out of rooms in tears, throw shit around the office, and in general make a complete ass of himself. Lik…

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Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by ChoGGi »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #173
ReptileMan wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Torrent sites have amazing search ... just saying

Yeah shame it’s hidden behind 50 pop-under triggers and infectious scam ads. Literally unusable without an ad blocker. (Which you should use anyway but it means they’re not a great choice for Joe user on his unprotected windows pc)

Better ads with free stuff than ads with paid stuff.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by gigatexal »

Who cares? He’s dead. I know that sounds harsh but this obsession and worship of founders has to stop. Companies are people or so says the Supreme Court. So now that the company exists it’s bigger than any one person even the founder.

The company he built is now an order of magnitude more valuable and hardware is the best it’s ever been.

It’s maturing. No company stays nimble and vibrant and agile forever. It’s paying a dividend for Pete’s sake.

All these callbacks to oh no apple under Steve never would have done this … yeah well it’s 2025 and he unfortunately got cancer and died from it. Apple as a company lives on and new leadership should be free to take it in any direction they seem justified.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by lukan »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #173
ReptileMan wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Torrent sites have amazing search ... just saying

Yeah shame it’s hidden behind 50 pop-under triggers and infectious scam ads. Literally unusable without an ad blocker. (Which you should use anyway but it means they’re not a great choice for Joe user on his unprotected windows pc)

A bit deeper into the scene, there are no ads anymore. And the biggest problem for most people in the west, is rather just using torrents without a VPN will get you lawyers letters quite quickly. But Joe average can use youtube downloader without danger.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by Mistletoe »

imglorp wrote: post #135
pzo wrote: post #112

Sadly iPhone sales and revenue saturated like 4 years ago (and the same for Mac, Wearables and iPad [0]). They focus now a lot on growing revenue from services. Which is kind of sad because they have still much room to grow Mac and iPad: - just make iPad more useful and support MacOS - it's not gonna canibalize Mac, they sale each year 2x more iPads than Macs and 12x more iPhones than Macs. - make macbook Pro standar…

> They focus now a lot on growing revenue Explain like I'm five, how does a multi trillion dollar company expect to keep growing revenue forever? Are they planning to keep enshittifying user experience until revenue dives?

No one knows, they are just trying to kick the can as far as they can and escape the inevitable coming back to Eartb of the stock price. P/E is currently 36. Everything plateaus. The human population is plateauing. The SP500 is now 2 standard deviations from the mean and that’s as far as it has ever gone.

https://www.currentmarketvaluation.com/models/s&p500-mean-re...

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by com2kid »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #123
jiggawatts wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m convinced you can’t have your cake and eat it too. There’s no nice way to call someone’s baby ugly. They’re going to be upset, no matter how delicately you phrase it. Worse still, if you’re too polite, many people won’t “get” the message. “Oh, he just thinks my baby has interesting and unique features.”

> I’m convinced you can’t have your cake and eat it too. There’s no nice way to call someone’s baby ugly. They’re going to be upset, no matter how delicately you phrase it. I agree in a vacuum, but we're not in a vacuum, we're talking about Steve Jobs. A dude who would semi-regularly send coworkers and subordinates out of rooms in tears, throw shit around the office, and in general make a complete ass of himself. Lik…

I once worked for a leader who wanted to be like Jobs, complete with the black shirts.

So anyways, going into a design review I (UI dev lead) had warned early on that the new design was bad. I said it was going to be bad. Listed why it was going to be bad, and politely gave my feedback to UX, and I was ignored.

Walk into the review, it gets torn apart. It was really horrible. The GM looks over at me, asks for my take. I reply that I gave my feedback weeks ago and I hadn't approved of the design.

GM proceeds to lay into the UX team, swearing, yelling, and such, and basically asking why they hadn't listed to my initial feedback. It ended with an ultimatum that henceforth the design team was going to listen to me if I said no to a design before they wasted his time.

We were at the time outsourcing UX work to an obscenely expensive design firm who hasn't done software work before, just physical media. Some of the team was good, but a few of the designers were violently incompetent.

(A short time later we nixed the entire team, hired the good ones, and built our own,amazing, internal UX team.)

I'm not sure how I feel about the situation. It was nice to be vindicated, and rockstar personalities rarely listen to polite level feedback. "Fuck you don't bring me shitty designs and bill me tens of thousands of dollars for them when the fucking dev team can tell the design is shit" is kind of a legit response to people who just won't listen.

It does sour relationships though, and IMHO some of that relationship between me and the UX lead took years to rebuild.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by blondie9x »

asadotzler wrote: post #99
metabagel wrote: post #36

I ran a reverse image search on the image of Steve Jobs, and couldn't come up with anything, so it does appear that it might be AI generated, which I don't approve of.

It isn't obvious to you that it's AI? You had to look it up? Please get more familiar with actual photographs, maybe skim a few AI free photo sites or, oh, I don't know, buy a few coffee table photo books and develop some discernment, because that one is about as obvious a fake photo as a stick figure would be. It's truly gross.

I'm glad he tried to look it up. But we shouldn't have to, all AI generated images/videos should be watermarked full stop.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by eigencoder »

inshard wrote: post #164

Local businesses with better quality usually have better ratings in maps and better economics—higher margins, repeat customers, lower acquisition costs. And since only nearby places can compete, you get real competition on merit instead of a race to the bottom with faceless actors. Good ads solve a real problem: helping people discover great spots in unfamiliar cities. Jobs saw something with iAd. The problem is simp…

Or, you could just use quality signals like ratings, time spent and repeat visits and not weight by the bids. All the upside, none of the downside.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by Jnr »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #173
ReptileMan wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Torrent sites have amazing search ... just saying

Yeah shame it’s hidden behind 50 pop-under triggers and infectious scam ads. Literally unusable without an ad blocker. (Which you should use anyway but it means they’re not a great choice for Joe user on his unprotected windows pc)

There is https://github.com/Prowlarr/Prowlarr
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