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Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by torben-friis »

cyberax wrote: post #127
torben-friis wrote: post #15

I don’t care about whatever Jobs thought, but honestly I do care about apple forgetting that the walled garden’s walls are tolerated only because the experience inside is better. Their hardware is still amazing, but I’ve had enough issues with software quality and Cook’s penny pinching philosophy that I’ve bought a second hand laptop to explore moving to Linux. So far, the experience is making me question whether my…

> I do care about apple forgetting that the walled garden’s walls are tolerated only because the experience inside is better. Why would they care if they can just lock the gates and put some barbed wire on top of the walls? What are you going to do, move to Android?

>What are you going to do, move to Android?

Why not? If ads are coming anyway why pay the apple tax.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by apples_oranges »

ndepoel wrote: post #27
duxup wrote: post #3

Ads in Maps and how that contrasts with the customer experience is the message here. I'll be honest, I'm tired of the "steve jobs wouldn't" and "apple dying" articles, they're oh so shrill and tiresome and I think Steve would have changed with the times too ... Steve aside, I find this particular article's observation that ads in maps is a bad customer experience something I can agree with.

Honestly, I think that if Steve Jobs had lived, he would have continued to push the industry in a direction more aligned with his tastes, others would have followed suit, and whatever hot topics we'd be discussing today, they would be very different from the ones we are discussing now.

He seemed very content in the end that Apple is on the right track and set up correctly for the future. I don't think he was talking about profit margins, but rather about the soul of the company, if there is such a thing.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by delecti »

strictnein wrote: post #95
gwd wrote: post #75

> From that point on, Steve would go on to spend lavishly on things that improved the experience, and he would reject—often brutally—any idea that diluted or harmed the experience. ...I’ll go out on a limb and say that uninvited advertising is not normally equated with a better customer experience. YES!!! SOO much of the Apple user experience has degraded due to this. I can't listen to my own music that I bought on t…

This is how Amazon is too with the movies and tv shows you bought. There's no way to search your owned library anymore. You just have to page through it to find what you want. And your library is hidden away behind a tiny little unlabeled icon in the upper right corner. And, to make matters worse, you have things like the Charlie Brown Halloween Special, which Apple now owns the rights to. You cannot in any way searc…

How are you browsing your Amazon content? I see search bars on the 'All Content' [1] page, and also on each individual page, like my movies and shows [2].

Though it seems like the interface is pretty rubbish in the Prime Video section [3], so maybe that's where you're looking?

[1] https://www.amazon.com/hz/mycd/digital-console/contentlist/a... [2] https://www.amazon.com/hz/mycd/digital-console/contentlist/v... [3] https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/mystuff/library

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by imglorp »

pzo wrote: post #112

Sadly iPhone sales and revenue saturated like 4 years ago (and the same for Mac, Wearables and iPad [0]). They focus now a lot on growing revenue from services. Which is kind of sad because they have still much room to grow Mac and iPad: - just make iPad more useful and support MacOS - it's not gonna canibalize Mac, they sale each year 2x more iPads than Macs and 12x more iPhones than Macs. - make macbook Pro standar…

> They focus now a lot on growing revenue

Explain like I'm five, how does a multi trillion dollar company expect to keep growing revenue forever? Are they planning to keep enshittifying user experience until revenue dives?

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by iknowstuff »

skylurk wrote: post #130
polyomino wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't put MacOS on iPad because they want MacOS to slowly die and make App Store the only way to install software. This has nothing to do with cannibalizing Mac.

You might be right, but if MacOS dies, how will Apple develop for iOS etc?

probably some subscription cloud environments

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by conductr »

I think they’re trying to replace the hole they expect when the app stores are forced to be open. It is sad they lack any plan other than ads, it’s a complete lack of imagination from what is supposed to the one of the most innovative companies on earth. I feel this is a more worrisome signal than anything.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by wat10000 »

sjm wrote: post #91
wat10000 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not hypocritical for an article about crossing someone else's red line to simultaneously be crossing your red line.

Depicting deceased people with AI is objectively distasteful, especially from a self-described "ad guy" who should know better.

That’s not what “objectively” means.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by hshdhdhehd »

polyomino wrote: post #122
pzo wrote: post #112

Sadly iPhone sales and revenue saturated like 4 years ago (and the same for Mac, Wearables and iPad [0]). They focus now a lot on growing revenue from services. Which is kind of sad because they have still much room to grow Mac and iPad: - just make iPad more useful and support MacOS - it's not gonna canibalize Mac, they sale each year 2x more iPads than Macs and 12x more iPhones than Macs. - make macbook Pro standar…

They don't put MacOS on iPad because they want MacOS to slowly die and make App Store the only way to install software. This has nothing to do with cannibalizing Mac.

It is worrying that the machines many of HN rely on are the minority of their revenue so they'd not even flinch financially to mess up that product line. TF for Linux/x86/arm as an alternative ecosystem that is not controlled by one party.
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