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Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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Well, let me see, America's sitting president recently demolished one third of the historic presidential residence to build a ballroom, government workers are not being paid for a month, and government-employed thugs are snatching people off the street based on skin color.

I find it almost quaint that we are still concerned about whether buses should be free. (No, for the record I don't think buses should be free, but honestly, who cares? In today's America, any elected representative willing to give a middle finger to Trump is a step in the right direction. We can fix buses later.)

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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You don’t think it’s absurdly simplistic to say “taxes = revolution”? It’s not like Mamdani snuck into power. Voters chose him specifically on the agenda he proposed. Why would they revolt?

If you have no say in how much you are taxed, that is taxation without representation. Seems you completely missed the point.

But this isn't happening in this case - the people had an actual say with their vote. They chose this.

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

#53
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I'm a European and this is fake news

Absolutely. Also shows you they had to search far and wide to find examples. Free transport? Tallin, Estonia (presumably the only capital city), population: 450k Government-run grocery stores? Turkey (barely even Europe), only accessible to the poor Free childcare? Portugal, introduced in 2022, and hardly universal: while the program is open to all, places are limited and can be tough to access Rent freeze? Establish…

Luxembourg has had free public transport since 2020.

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

#54
Ah, "Europeans." This is the Guardian pretending an editorial is a news story. I can find plenty of Europeans who recognize the world as flat and think that Mamdani is a Soviet agent.

That being said, I like all the named policies in this story, and of course we could have them if we have a moral country. Mamdani says a lot of random, stupid (other than these policies), trendy stuff though: the proof will be in what is done. Free public transportation would have a positive ripple effect across the entire country, along with city run groceries for food deserts.

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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You may want to review what caused the American revolution.

Americans have control over what they're taxed as long as they make 8 figures or more per year. The rich and corporations here are paying a share, but not as big of a share of their pie as those who make less. What people were looking to elect is someone who will treat those who can afford it the same way those who can't. Just like elections that went the other way the deciding factor is perception. If politicians wo…

I think you're right yes.

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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If you have no say in how much you are taxed, that is taxation without representation. Seems you completely missed the point.

But this isn't happening in this case - the people had an actual say with their vote. They chose this.

Yes Gregg, I was speaking as a European using the American revolution as an example, not strictly speaking about NYC right now, I hope that's clear

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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Have most Western countries mostly given up on supply side policies for housing price stablisation as an option ? Odd given how much construction tech has improved.

Housing prices won't ever stabilize as long as land is a tradeable commodity that 'stores' value. If people can make money with man-in-the-middle techniques and cheap money (low interest rates), then they will, and this will drive the real-estate boom-bust cycle we have that runs on ~18 year cycle (last bust was late 2008, early 2009, prior bust was around 1990) Become communist (or communist lite) and reserve land o…

May be in an AGI world, basic housing might actually be a part of UBI with some strict conditions, though not sure who will take the first step.

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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No, Europeans will recognize NYC's policies as normal, Zohran or not. Afterall, It's one of America's only European-ish cities.

NYC has subsidized world-class transit, rent-stabilization, high taxes and free-childcare. Pretty European.

Zohran is classic of case of 'the dose makes the poison'. Instead of subsidized buses, he wants free buses. Instead of rent-stabilization, he wants rent freezes. He wants to increase an already high tax rate in a city that's bleeding billionaires to Florida. NYC spends an eye-watering billion dollars on child-care subsidies, and Zohran's intended expansion will add billions more in costs.

NYC has European public services with American over-regulation. It would be untenable unless it were the world's richest city. Thankfully, it is the world's richest city. But, that doesn't mean that NYC's systems are efficient. It means that the city hopes to get away with policies (some forcefully imposed on it by the state) that no other place would because it assumes the money train will never end.

NYC is better run than American suburbia and California. But, NYC doesn't have California's infinite money glitch or the ruthless demographic segregation of suburbs. So, efficiencies must be found in policy making.

I think Abundance does a good job of summarizing the problems (over-regulation) and suggesting solutions (de-regulation). But for some reason, democratic socialists refuse to engage with the book earnestly.

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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I believe the saying is "no taxation without representation", not "no taxation without personal approval".

representation is the will of the people, the approval of persons, so I fail to see the difference

I think you’ve been reading too much Thoreau.

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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representation is the will of the people, the approval of persons, so I fail to see the difference

I think you’ve been reading too much Thoreau.

I have never read anything by him
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