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Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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> we as Europeans, have little say in how we are taxed. Do you not have elections?

You understand surely, that just because people vote, doesn't mean their representatives actually do anything that the people that voted want? come on

I believe the saying is "no taxation without representation", not "no taxation without personal approval".

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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I'm a European and this is fake news

Absolutely.

Also shows you they had to search far and wide to find examples.

Free transport? Tallin, Estonia (presumably the only capital city), population: 450k

Government-run grocery stores? Turkey (barely even Europe), only accessible to the poor

Free childcare? Portugal, introduced in 2022, and hardly universal: while the program is open to all, places are limited and can be tough to access

Rent freeze? Established in Berlin in 2020, ruled unconstitutional in 2021.

In other words, garbage article and extremely clickbaity (and lying) title.

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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You understand surely, that just because people vote, doesn't mean their representatives actually do anything that the people that voted want? come on

I believe the saying is "no taxation without representation", not "no taxation without personal approval".

representation is the will of the people, the approval of persons, so I fail to see the difference

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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I think a big issue some Americans have is that they think socialism is great because it is the European model. 1. Europe is not socialist (Eastern Europe and the USSR were). And, no, social-democracy is NOT socialism. 2. The welfare state is essentially bankrupt in many European countries. 3. Socialism cannot, ultimately be democratic. My only sane interpretation for an election of a socialist candidate in 2025 is t…

Europe is not a monolith. Norwegians self identify as socialist for example.

> Norwegians self identify as socialist for example

Er.. that's not even remotely true

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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Have most Western countries mostly given up on supply side policies for housing price stablisation as an option ? Odd given how much construction tech has improved.

We could build strong, very energy efficient houses incredibly fast using Structural Insulated Panels.

The walls of a house are already cheap to build with a low skill barrier etc. Land, foundation, windows, doors, roof, plumbing, appliances, yadda yadda add up, but everyone seems to focus on walls.

If you really want to drive down the cost of housing figure out cheap windows or start convincing people they don’t need nearly as many of them.

Don’t believe me? Compare the cost of a large 2 story prefab shed ~10-20$/sf without amenities like plumbing vs a house of similar size.

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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The Guardian strikes again... as an European those policies are not " a given "... shockingly, we need to buy tickets to ride the bus, childcare is not usually free overall, and rent freezes don't work. It is also not so normal to claim to be a bona fide socialist (and Europe knows more than most what this means).

All his policies being in practice everywhere in Europe is a stretch, sure.

The point is that most of his policies are part of the normal churn of debate in a great many countries and are not seen as extreme, even if not implemented.

eg: "Free" public transport is a thing in Queensland, Australia.

( Okay, it's actually 50 cent flat rate fares: https://translink.com.au/tickets-and-fares/50-cent-fares .. so lets call that 'nominal' )

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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I'm a European and this is fake news

Also European, and I partly agree. But I think they are "normal" left wing policies in Europe in the sense that parties in various countries/cities/regions have campaigned on them or implemented them. But my understanding of some US media is these are depicted as borderline communism.

Rent freezes are a normal thing for left wing politicians to campaign for, but very rare to actually implement.

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This just in: some people don’t like paying taxes

You may want to review what caused the American revolution.

Americans have control over what they're taxed as long as they make 8 figures or more per year. The rich and corporations here are paying a share, but not as big of a share of their pie as those who make less. What people were looking to elect is someone who will treat those who can afford it the same way those who can't. Just like elections that went the other way the deciding factor is perception. If politicians would set a transparent flat tax, the elections could be about facts and not feels. Right now it feels like politicians are leveraging the pain of the many to get votes without making any change, because they're not generally affected financially y their policies.

Re: Europeans recognize Zohran Mamdani's policies as 'normal'

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I think you can nitpick the detail but the broader point is still true. Yes, you still pay for the bus, but it’s heavily subsidised. Yes, you still pay for childcare but government subsidies make it wildly more affordable than it is today for New Yorkers. The general pitch is “raise taxes to make life more affordable for all”. That’s an idea Europeans can identify with.

I think a big issue some Americans have is that they think socialism is great because it is the European model. 1. Europe is not socialist (Eastern Europe and the USSR were). And, no, social-democracy is NOT socialism. 2. The welfare state is essentially bankrupt in many European countries. 3. Socialism cannot, ultimately be democratic. My only sane interpretation for an election of a socialist candidate in 2025 is t…

1. The European model is either Democratic Socialism, or Social Democracy, depending who you ask.

2. The US government is essentially bankrupt, and has been spending far beyond its means for decades.

But countries are not households. Sovereign countries cannot run of money. But they can run out of confidence.

For a nation state, bankruptcy happens when its currency is no longer respected and essential imports become so expensive they cause hyperinflation.

By any objective measure, the US today is closer to that today than Europe. (It's mostly the fault of tariffs, but the cause doesn't matter.)

It's true the influence of neoliberal lobbying and opportunism by US corporates has reduced the effectiveness of welfare in the EU. But health and benefits are still higher, and the only country where insured health costs bankrupt 500,000 people a year is the US.

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