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Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by whitehexagon » Thu, Nov 06, 2025, 2:39 PM UTC

martin_a wrote: post #56

I find pairing my IKEA bulbs and switches and whatnot to my Conbee 2 stick sometimes hard to do. I'm thinking about buying a Dirigera hub instead, using that for the IKEA devices and using the Conbee stick only for non-IKEA products. Does that work flawlessly when being controlled via HA or are there other issues to be expected? edit: Maybe even ditch the Conbee stick after all, build some ESPHome devices as replacem…

Agreed. I had no problem with the conBee II itself, but it did take me a while to figure out different IKEA ZigBee devices required different 'secret handshakes' to tigger pairing. eg number of button presses within a second, I think one was 5x, another 4x, and lights were different again. Still, I prefered that hasle than having a hub dialling home.

But it was pretty stable once it was setup. Just occasional reboot on the rPI but I think that was my flakey SMS gateway code.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by rpcope1 » Thu, Nov 06, 2025, 2:40 PM UTC

ifh-hn wrote: post #31

I've never really got the smart home thing, and the shit being pulled with the likes of "smart" TVs and cars has really put me off any sort of network connected device I can't control. How would you use this and ensure privacy and security? Without investing time in becoming an amateur network engineer?

> any sort of network connected device I can't control. How would you use this and ensure privacy and security?

This was exactly the nice thing about Zigbee (and Z-Wave). They're not IP networks, they basically just work with any hub, and have no way of phoning home at all. You can use them with Home Assistant or other open source tools or write your own stack if you wanted. The thing that really blows about the switch to matter, is that it is IP based, and it looks like vendors will have another opportunity to tie specific functionality to their own hubs (and probably find a way to exfiltrate telemetry). There really wasn't anything wrong with Zigbee or Z-wave that couldn't be fixed in incremental protocol revisions (IMHO), but they don't generate money the way WiFi devices collecting telemetry or hardware churn for the sake of hardware churn does.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by scosman » Thu, Nov 06, 2025, 2:49 PM UTC

moshib wrote: post #3

IKEA's Zigbee devices have been some of the more stable smart devices I owned. I wasn't running their hub, opting to run with deCONZ in the past and moving to Zigbee2MQTT in recent years. I do wish the new range would include blinds; the previous generation (FYRTUR) is out of production, and it doesn't seem like there's a replacement yet.

Word on reddit is they discontinued the blinds due to reliability problems. I have 3 and 1 failed so makes sense to me. They want to bring them back, but it's a complete redesign, not just normal planned product lifecycle iteration.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by thedougd » Thu, Nov 06, 2025, 2:50 PM UTC

seanalltogether wrote: post #51

ifh-hn wrote: post #31

I've never really got the smart home thing, and the shit being pulled with the likes of "smart" TVs and cars has really put me off any sort of network connected device I can't control. How would you use this and ensure privacy and security? Without investing time in becoming an amateur network engineer?

As someone who is a bit of a luddite when it comes to smart home features, there are 2 things that really stand out to me that i would like. 1. Open/Close sensors, I would like to put sensors on my shed door and side gates that can tell me if they are open or closed. I will occassionally leave these open, or the kids may leave them open and would prefer they be closed each night. It's impossible for me to tell if the…

I use YoLink products for #1. LoRA radio based with 1/4 mile range and low power consumption. I have one on my shed door. Frequently on sale at Amazon.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by kevstev » Thu, Nov 06, 2025, 2:50 PM UTC

Mistletoe wrote: post #8

Tangential but I was wondering if anyone knows of a thermostat that can work with a security system for the most simple and accurate location sensing possible- when I press away on the alarm it turns the HVAC to eco type settings to save energy. I used to get this with Google Nest and location sensing from my phone but Google as always is killing my generation of Nest thermostat. I think I’d like to get away from loc…

Can be relatively simple inside of Home Assistant. I have my alarm attached to Konnected, and that has an HA integration. I can both arm and disarm my alarm through an HA dashboard, and also have it arm itself if both myself and the wife are out of the house. You may not even need the alarm integration part- you can just use the home/away functionality and set the thermostat. The thermostat integration part I am less sure about, just because I haven't used it, but it should be fairly easy to set the set temps based on your home/away status.

Of course you need Home Assistant set up for this, but if you are interested in these types of things, it will be very useful.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by bjoli » Thu, Nov 06, 2025, 2:50 PM UTC

loufe wrote: post #58

I just bought an AirGradient sensor and set up home assistant. What an absolute joy, both experiences (though I had issues building AirGradient's firmware due to some issues on their end, to their credit their dev team told me they're going to adopt my recommendations) are streamlined and professional and super easy to set up for a techie. I've already got in the habit of opening the window to the office as the senso…

I really hope that is CO2 and not eCO2.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by RealStickman_ » Thu, Nov 06, 2025, 2:52 PM UTC

WaitWaitWha wrote: post #41

63stack wrote: post #2

I have never heard of Matter before, but I was super satisfied with Ikea's zigbee products. Does anyone know why they switched?

Vendor lock in. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45658056 edit: Feel free to down but the evidence is in the products. Zigbee will work with any other Zigbee device if it is properly implemented. not so with Thread.

Please enlighten me how the ip-network-using mattress in any way relates to a Matter and Thread network

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by Someone1234 » Thu, Nov 06, 2025, 2:54 PM UTC

vollbrecht wrote: post #59

bluGill wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matter is now a standard not just a common spec. Everyone should demand all new smart home devices support matter. (it is okay if you use Zigbee or some other alternative to control it today but you should still demand matter for the day you switch - that day should come) In particular note the bane of all smart homes: if you have to move the next owner won't have a clue what you did. In the worst case you have to hi…

A standard where you have to pay to play. Cheapest option is 3000$ per product and 500$ annual.

More information here:

https://wizzdev.com/blog/how-much-does-it-cost-to-launch-mat...

But, yes, Matter/Thread is more expensive than Zigbee by a lot.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by jabroni_salad » Thu, Nov 06, 2025, 2:56 PM UTC

ifh-hn wrote: post #31

I've never really got the smart home thing, and the shit being pulled with the likes of "smart" TVs and cars has really put me off any sort of network connected device I can't control. How would you use this and ensure privacy and security? Without investing time in becoming an amateur network engineer?

Before buying any IOT devices, see if you can download the firmware from the manufacturer's website. If you can't, do not buy that product.

I like Shelly's doodads. They are easy to work with, you can flash their firmware with an alternative if you want (Tasamota is popular). They have a decent onboard scheduler and the only app you need is a web browser pointed at its IP address. They don't need internet access.

Re: IKEA launches new smart home range with 21 Matter-compatible products

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Post by scosman » Thu, Nov 06, 2025, 2:57 PM UTC

loufe wrote: post #58

I just bought an AirGradient sensor and set up home assistant. What an absolute joy, both experiences (though I had issues building AirGradient's firmware due to some issues on their end, to their credit their dev team told me they're going to adopt my recommendations) are streamlined and professional and super easy to set up for a techie. I've already got in the habit of opening the window to the office as the senso…

I suggest the SenseAir sensors. They don't seem as susceptible to fakes, and auto calibrate when exposed to fresh air. Supported by ESP home so build is simple.

Any evidence the Ikea sensor are actual CO2 censors and not just cheap "eCO2" sensors? Lots of the "CO2" censors our there are just cheap VOC censors with an calculation to estimate CO2.