Cloudflare tells U.S. govt that foreign site blocking efforts are trade barriers
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Re: Cloudflare tells U.S. govt that foreign site blocking efforts are trade barriers
#2I hosted a website on Cloudflare and I sent a link to it to a friend on a Sunday.
The friend told me the website was down.
Turns out Spain blocks IP addresses belonging to Cloudflare during big football matches because some pirate streaming websites are hosted on Cloudflare.
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1nm80wz/trying_to_u...
I decided to go back to AWS.
Frankly Cloudflare is choosing the wrong battle on defending pirate streaming websites. There are other gray areas that I apprecciate Cloudflare defending freedom of speech online, but pirate streaming websites aren't one of those.
Re: Cloudflare tells U.S. govt that foreign site blocking efforts are trade barriers
#3i havent been in a tier 1 ISP in 20 years. can anyone who is in that life give a little summary of how much infrastructure we have in the united states to implement the same level of control as what china has available for walling its garden?
like, if the direction came down from on high, to copy it ... how few things would have to get flipped on to have roughly the same thing in the united states?
i'd really appreciate an insider's summary. a lot has changed since 2004. probably.
Re: Cloudflare tells U.S. govt that foreign site blocking efforts are trade barriers
#4i havent been in a tier 1 ISP in 20 years. can anyone who is in that life give a little summary of how much infrastructure we have in the united states to implement the same level of control as what china has available for walling its garden? like, if the direction came down from on high, to copy it ... how few things would have to get flipped on to have roughly the same thing in the united states? i'd really appreci…
> how few things would have to get flipped on to have roughly the same thing in the united states?
I'd argue it's already been flipped on. Our system just works a little bit differently. Nothing is strictly prohibited via some grand theatrical firewall. Things that are "undesirable" simply meet an information theoretical death sooner than they otherwise should. We've got mountains of tools like DMCA that can precision strike anything naughty while still preserving an illusion of freedom.
Data hoarders are the American version of climbing over the GFW. The strategy of relying on entropy to kill off bad narratives seems to be quite effective. Social media platforms, cloud storage, et. al., are dramatically accelerating this pressure.
Re: Cloudflare tells U.S. govt that foreign site blocking efforts are trade barriers
#5I hosted a website on Cloudflare and I sent a link to it to a friend on a Sunday. The friend told me the website was down. Turns out Spain blocks IP addresses belonging to Cloudflare during big football matches because some pirate streaming websites are hosted on Cloudflare. https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1nm80wz/trying_to_u... I decided to go back to AWS. Frankly Cloudflare is choosing the wrong battle on…
That's Spains issue. Spaniards should encourage their government to eliminate whatever nonsensical provision in the law that allows ranges of IPs to be blocked at the service provider level for soccer matches.
Re: Cloudflare tells U.S. govt that foreign site blocking efforts are trade barriers
#6I hosted a website on Cloudflare and I sent a link to it to a friend on a Sunday. The friend told me the website was down. Turns out Spain blocks IP addresses belonging to Cloudflare during big football matches because some pirate streaming websites are hosted on Cloudflare. https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1nm80wz/trying_to_u... I decided to go back to AWS. Frankly Cloudflare is choosing the wrong battle on…
Regardless of my opinion of soccer pirates, I still hate copyright clowns more.
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#7"Trade barriers" - mmm, I wonder who's attention they are trying to get.
Re: Cloudflare tells U.S. govt that foreign site blocking efforts are trade barriers
#8I hosted a website on Cloudflare and I sent a link to it to a friend on a Sunday. The friend told me the website was down. Turns out Spain blocks IP addresses belonging to Cloudflare during big football matches because some pirate streaming websites are hosted on Cloudflare. https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1nm80wz/trying_to_u... I decided to go back to AWS. Frankly Cloudflare is choosing the wrong battle on…
Cloudflare isn't defending the pirate streaming sites, they are simply living their principles of being neutral.
Re: Cloudflare tells U.S. govt that foreign site blocking efforts are trade barriers
#9I hosted a website on Cloudflare and I sent a link to it to a friend on a Sunday. The friend told me the website was down. Turns out Spain blocks IP addresses belonging to Cloudflare during big football matches because some pirate streaming websites are hosted on Cloudflare. https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1nm80wz/trying_to_u... I decided to go back to AWS. Frankly Cloudflare is choosing the wrong battle on…
I don't even think that case was from Cloudflare hosting, just providing DDOS protection.
And it wasn't a Spanish government policy, but rather a single judge's order.
Re: Cloudflare tells U.S. govt that foreign site blocking efforts are trade barriers
#10i havent been in a tier 1 ISP in 20 years. can anyone who is in that life give a little summary of how much infrastructure we have in the united states to implement the same level of control as what china has available for walling its garden? like, if the direction came down from on high, to copy it ... how few things would have to get flipped on to have roughly the same thing in the united states? i'd really appreci…
> how few things would have to get flipped on to have roughly the same thing in the united states? I'd argue it's already been flipped on. Our system just works a little bit differently. Nothing is strictly prohibited via some grand theatrical firewall. Things that are "undesirable" simply meet an information theoretical death sooner than they otherwise should. We've got mountains of tools like DMCA that can precisio…
> I'd argue it's already been flipped on.
The Great Firewall is, among various other things, an attempt to create a single historical narrative for the PRC by blocking out reference to things like Tiananmen, discussions of early twentieth-century China suggesting that China could have gone a different way than the Communist Party and prospered, etc. The USA has absolutely nothing like that, people can readily find open-web and social-media content taking every possible position on American history, both staid academic content and wacko conspiracy theory stuff.
When it all comes down to it, the USA just isn’t as hung up on social harmony and narrative control as the PRC. That’s why there isn’t a comparable system in place, and claiming that the odious DMCA is anywhere close, is hyperbole.