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Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by bigtex »

schiffern wrote: post #62
TheAlchemist wrote: post #15

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It's not only politics, although it certainly didn't help. Tesla did not release new cars, except for Cybertruck, for how long ? 5 years ? 10 years ? Their lineup was great initially, and there was 0 competition. Now there is a lot of competition and their lineup did not change at all. Their car business is dying. That's why they try to be an AI & Robotics company. Edit: Here is a good link to follow the sales data -…

>Tesla did not release new cars, except for Cybertruck, for how long ? 5 years ? 10 years ? As stated earlier, this is extremely bad strategy advice. Tesla is battery-limited, not demand-limited (delivery wave concern trolling from OP's headline aside). Adding models would only add complexity without meaningfully increasing revenue. It helps to know basic fundamental facts about the company before commenting. >Now th…

What happened to those 2 million cyber truck reservations? Supposedly had enough demand for 8 years

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by ajross »

postflopclarity wrote: post #120
ajross wrote: post #104

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Only if you take as a prior that he's somehow more objectionable than the like 20% of the electorate that I'm painting as "drunk uncles". And he's... not. He's just rich. Musk doesn't say or do anything you can't see on Fox every day. He doesn't spout opinions you can't read expressed right here on HN in every politics thread (in fact he's a pretty pure distillation of the HN self-righteous libertarian jerk, honestly…

> Musk doesn't say or do anything you can't see on Fox every day. He doesn't spout opinions you can't read expressed right here on HN in every politics thread again, he literally threw two Sieg Heils. I don't see that every day.

That's a pretty strained "literally". Even taking everything at the worst possible interpretation, it's edgelord fuckery. Not something I'd personally support, but absolutely in the "drunk uncle" category of misbehavior.

I think some of the problem is that people aren't exposed to enough drunk uncles to know how awful the electorate can be. Again, we're barely a half century removed from living in a literal[1] segregated society.

But the drunk uncles are out there, and you are doing business with them all the time. Picking fights over cars within your own community of like minded people is a shibboleth/proxy argument that does nothing but hurt your cause.

[1] Literally literal, in this case.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by buellerbueller »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #65
buellerbueller wrote: post #51

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>most people are rejecting contemporary right-wing policies and politics. Hmm... >No longer are we going to tolerate the intolerant. If you are willing to look past the moral failings, you are seen as part of the problem and should expect consequences. Social dynamics are at work The woke left forcing ideological conformity loses them a lot of support from the center-left, which turns out is not a winning electoral s…

You’re totally right. Rampant government cuts, attacking healthcare subsidies, attacking LGBT Americans, threatening universities, ego-driven tariff policy, and just generally poor economic stewardship, should be the electoral strategy. It sure seems to be working out for republicans.

>Rampant government cuts, attacking healthcare subsidies, attacking LGBT Americans, threatening universities, ego-driven tariff policy, and just generally poor economic stewardship, should be the electoral strategy. It sure seems to be working out for republicans.

I agree with none of these policies. I also just disagree with the woke left's focus on identity politics, because I see it as a losing battle, electorally. I prefer the left to focus on labor and economic issues, which apply broadly to all, regardless of their identity.

I believe in Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and insofar as it informs my political views, food shelter and jobs are far more important issues than identitarian issues. Solve the basic needs first, and when everyone has a fair piece of our wealthy country's economic pie, I suspect we will find the identity issues are easier to address, with broader support.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by buellerbueller »

verdverm wrote: post #59
buellerbueller wrote: post #51

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>most people are rejecting contemporary right-wing policies and politics. Hmm... >No longer are we going to tolerate the intolerant. If you are willing to look past the moral failings, you are seen as part of the problem and should expect consequences. Social dynamics are at work The woke left forcing ideological conformity loses them a lot of support from the center-left, which turns out is not a winning electoral s…

> The woke left forcing ideological conformity It's not about forcing conformity, it's about having basic human decency. Right-wingers belittle and dehumanize so many groups and people it's hard to keep track see also: Paradox of tolerance > turns out is not a winning electoral strategy umm, did you look at the election results from yesterday? #1 economy (i.e. emotionally driven tariffs) #2 people don't like seeing c…

>umm, did you look at the election results from yesterday?

>#1 economy (i.e. emotionally driven tariffs)

>#2 people don't like seeing children and neighbors disappeared by masked thugs >(i.e. due-process and rule-of-law)

None of which are the identity politics issues that the woke left forces on people, and expects ideological conformity on.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by Forgeties79 »

buellerbueller wrote: post #123
Forgeties79 wrote: post #65

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You’re totally right. Rampant government cuts, attacking healthcare subsidies, attacking LGBT Americans, threatening universities, ego-driven tariff policy, and just generally poor economic stewardship, should be the electoral strategy. It sure seems to be working out for republicans.

>Rampant government cuts, attacking healthcare subsidies, attacking LGBT Americans, threatening universities, ego-driven tariff policy, and just generally poor economic stewardship, should be the electoral strategy. It sure seems to be working out for republicans. I agree with none of these policies. I also just disagree with the woke left's focus on identity politics, because I see it as a losing battle, electorally…

You keep saying “the woke left’s” identity politics as the Trump administration uses the government to enforce right wing identity politics and stifle free speech. Do you also find that objectionable? Or do you think this is purely a problem on the left?

My guess is the only difference is you agree with conservative identity politics and not liberal identity politics, so one is seen as “natural and normal” and the other seems “manufactured and forced on people.” I could be wrong, but that is generally my experience in these conversations.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by chollida1 »

fundatus wrote: post #70
chollida1 wrote: post #64

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> Interesting, not only is Tesla 50% down YTD, TSLA is not down 50% YTD. Its up this year so far. Can you show the math that shows it down 50% YTD?

I am talking about the numbers in the article (Tesla sales in Germany), not the stock: > The number of Teslas sold in the January-October period dropped 50.4% to 15,595 units, compared with the same period last year.

OH, ok, glad I asked then:)

Appreciate the explanation.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by buellerbueller »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #125
buellerbueller wrote: post #123

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>Rampant government cuts, attacking healthcare subsidies, attacking LGBT Americans, threatening universities, ego-driven tariff policy, and just generally poor economic stewardship, should be the electoral strategy. It sure seems to be working out for republicans. I agree with none of these policies. I also just disagree with the woke left's focus on identity politics, because I see it as a losing battle, electorally…

You keep saying “the woke left’s” identity politics as the Trump administration uses the government to enforce right wing identity politics and stifle free speech. Do you also find that objectionable? Or do you think this is purely a problem on the left? My guess is the only difference is you agree with conservative identity politics and not liberal identity politics, so one is seen as “natural and normal” and the ot…

>You keep saying “the woke left’s” identity politics as the Trump administration uses the government to enforce right wing identity politics and stifle free speech. Do you also find that objectionable?

Yes.

> Or do you think this is purely a problem on the left?

I am not a member of the right wing parties, so I have no pull with them. I also think they are less likely to change.

>My guess is the only difference is you agree with conservative identity politics and not liberal identity politics

Your guess is wrong. I think all identity politics are bad politics until we solve basic human needs stuff like feed and house everyone and jobs that pay a living wage for anyone who wants one.

I get it, I don't fit into your preconcieved box, but the boxes are designed by the oligarchy who wants to keep us in separate boxes, so we can't unite.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by Forgeties79 »

buellerbueller wrote: post #127
Forgeties79 wrote: post #125

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You keep saying “the woke left’s” identity politics as the Trump administration uses the government to enforce right wing identity politics and stifle free speech. Do you also find that objectionable? Or do you think this is purely a problem on the left? My guess is the only difference is you agree with conservative identity politics and not liberal identity politics, so one is seen as “natural and normal” and the ot…

>You keep saying “the woke left’s” identity politics as the Trump administration uses the government to enforce right wing identity politics and stifle free speech. Do you also find that objectionable? Yes. > Or do you think this is purely a problem on the left? I am not a member of the right wing parties, so I have no pull with them. I also think they are less likely to change. >My guess is the only difference is yo…

It’s not about a preconceived box. It’s that you keep saying “the woke left” and only “the woke left” despite the fact that it is Republicans controlling all three branches of government right now. It is republicans doing the thing you’re claiming you’re against. Yet (again) it’s all “the woke left, the woke left.” Omissions can be louder than words, and yours are screaming.

Also in my experience, most people who keep grinding their axe against “the woke left” are not as moderate/above party politics as they make themselves out to be.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by bryanlarsen »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #109
bryanlarsen wrote: post #97

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The VW, obviously. With most parts shared across 13 models and all models static for at least a year and usually longer. Plus VW has a good history of parts availability. Tesla on the other hand is famous for both making minor changes to their vehicles pretty much continuously and a bad history of parts availability.

1M cars over 13 models mean you’ll have no parts at all. 10M identical cars means there’s massive third party supply. Parts are already cheaper than Toyota’s.

A typical car sells tens of thousands per year and has no problem with parts availability. 1M cars is even easier.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by buellerbueller »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #128
buellerbueller wrote: post #127

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>You keep saying “the woke left’s” identity politics as the Trump administration uses the government to enforce right wing identity politics and stifle free speech. Do you also find that objectionable? Yes. > Or do you think this is purely a problem on the left? I am not a member of the right wing parties, so I have no pull with them. I also think they are less likely to change. >My guess is the only difference is yo…

It’s not about a preconceived box. It’s that you keep saying “the woke left” and only “the woke left” despite the fact that it is Republicans controlling all three branches of government right now. It is republicans doing the thing you’re claiming you’re against. Yet (again) it’s all “the woke left, the woke left.” Omissions can be louder than words, and yours are screaming. Also in my experience, most people who kee…

Ok dude.
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