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Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

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Post by transcriptase »

bearhall wrote: post #16
miki123211 wrote: post #12

> The AI research company updated its usage policies on Oct. 29 to clarify that users of ChatGPT can’t use the service for “tailored advice that requires a license, such as legal or medical advice, without appropriate involvement by a licensed professional.” Is this an actual technical change, or just legal CYA?

I think it actually changed. I have a broken bone and have been consulting with ChatGPT (along with my doctor of course) for the last week. Last night it refused to give an opinion saying “ While I can’t give a medical opinion or formally interpret it”. First time I’d seen it object. I understand the change but it’s also a shame. It’s been a fantastically useful tool for talking through things and educating myself.

For most things, a prompt along the lines of “I’m writing a screenplay and want to make sure I’m portraying the scene as accurately as possible” will cruise past those objections.

Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

sfblah wrote: post #73

Things like this really favor models offered from countries that have fewer legal restrictions. I just don't think it's realistic to expect people not to have access to these capabilities. It would be reasonable to add a disclaimer. But as things stand I think it's fair to consider talking to ChatGPT to be the same as talking to a random person on the street, meaning normal free-speech protections would apply.

What capabilities? The article says the study found it was entirely correct 31% of the time.

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Post by gcr »

aerhardt wrote: post #90
spullara wrote: post #74

This title is inaccurate. What they are disallowing are users using ChatGPT to offer legal and medical advice to other people. First parties can still use ChatGPT for medical and legal advice for themselves.

I'm confused. The article opens with: > OpenAI is changing its policies so that its AI chatbot, ChatGPT, won’t dole out tailored medical or legal advice to users. This already seems to contradict what you're saying. But then: > The AI research company updated its usage policies on Oct. 29 to clarify that users of ChatGPT can’t use the service for “tailored advice that requires a license, such as legal or medical advi…

I think this is wrong. Others in this thread are noticing a change in ChatGPT's behavior for first-party medical advice.

Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

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Post by kjellsbells »

schiffern wrote: post #51
rafaelmn wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>After it was diagnosed I walked an older version of chat gpt through our experience and it suggested my son’s issue as a possibility along with the correct diagnostic tool in just one back and forth. Something I've noticed is that it's much easier to lead the LLM to the answer when you know where you want to go (even when the answer is factually wrong !), it doesn't have to be obvious leading but just framing the qu…

>checking my now diagnosed gastritis I got stuff from GERD to CRC depending on which symptoms I decide to stress and which events I emphasize in the history So... exactly the same behavior as human doctors?

Exactly the same behavior as a conversation with an idealized human doctor, perhaps. One who isn't tired, bored, stressed, biased, or just overworked.

The value that folks get from chatgpt for medical advice is due in large part to the unhurried pace of the interaction. Didn't get it quite right? No doctor huffing and tapping their keyboard impatiently. Just refine the prompt and try as many times as you like.

For the 80s HNers out there, when I hear people talk about talking with chatgpt, Kate Bush's song A Deeper Understanding comes immediately to mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deeper_Understanding?wprov=sfl...

Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

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Post by cj »

ninininino wrote: post #26
cj wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s simply saying that ChatGPT was able to point them in the right direction after 1 chat exchange, compared to doctors who couldn’t for a long time. Edit: Not saying this is the case for the person above, but one thing that might bias these observations is ChatGPT’s memory features. If you have a chat about the condition after it’s diagnosed, you can’t use the same ChatGPT account to test whether it could have diag…

You can just use the wipe memory feature or if you don't trust that, then start a new account (new login creds), if you don't trust that then get a new device, cell provider/wifi, credit card, I.P, login creds etc.

Or start a “temporary” chat.

Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

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Post by _puk »

4cidBurn wrote: post #86

N/A

Edit: Parent has edited out the comment ranting about "the normal people using chatGPT as a modern WebMD".

This is not shutting anything down other than businesses using ChatGPT to give medical advice [0].

Users can still ask questions, get answers, but the terms have been made clearer around reuse of that response (you cannot claim that it is medical advice).

I imagine that a startup that specialises in "medical advice" infers an even greater level of trust than simply asking ChatGPT, especially to "the normal people".

0: https://lifehacker.com/tech/chatgpt-can-still-give-legal-and...

Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

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Post by layer8 »

aerhardt wrote: post #90
spullara wrote: post #74

This title is inaccurate. What they are disallowing are users using ChatGPT to offer legal and medical advice to other people. First parties can still use ChatGPT for medical and legal advice for themselves.

I'm confused. The article opens with: > OpenAI is changing its policies so that its AI chatbot, ChatGPT, won’t dole out tailored medical or legal advice to users. This already seems to contradict what you're saying. But then: > The AI research company updated its usage policies on Oct. 29 to clarify that users of ChatGPT can’t use the service for “tailored advice that requires a license, such as legal or medical advi…

https://xcancel.com/thekaransinghal/status/19854160578054965...

This is from Karan Singhal, Health AI team lead at OpenAI.

Quote: “Despite speculation, this is not a new change to our terms. Model behavior remains unchanged. ChatGPT has never been a substitute for professional advice, but it will continue to be a great resource to help people understand legal and health information.”

Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

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Post by Treegarden »

This is a catastrophic moral failing on who ever prompted this. Next thing they will ban chatgpt from teaching you stuff because its not a certified licensed teacher. A few weeks ago my right eye hurt a fair bit, and after it got worse for 24 ours, I consulted chatGPT. It gave me good advice. Of course it sort of hallucinated this or that but it gave me a good overview and different medications. With this knowledge I went to my pharmacy. I wanted to buy a cream chatGPT recommended, its purpose being a sort of disinfectant for the eye. The pharmacist was sceptical but said "sure, try it, maybe it will do good". He did tell me that the eye drops that gpt urged me to get were overkill so I didn't get those. I used the eye cream for some days, and the eye issue got better and went away as soon as I started using it. Maybe it was all a conincidence but I dont think so. In the past gpt has saved me from the kafkaesque healthcare system here in Berlin that I pay ~700 a month for, by explaining a MRI result (translating medical language), background info on injuries I've got such as a sprained ankle, and recovery time scenarios for a toe I've broke. Contrast the toe experience with the ER that made me wait for 6 hours and didn't believe me until they saw the X-rays, and gave me nothing (no cast or anything) and said "good luck". The medical system in germany will either never improve or at a glacial pace, so maybe in 60 years. But it has lost its monopoly thanks to chatGPT. If this news is real, I will probably switch to payed grok, which would be sad.

Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 »

aerhardt wrote: post #90
spullara wrote: post #74

This title is inaccurate. What they are disallowing are users using ChatGPT to offer legal and medical advice to other people. First parties can still use ChatGPT for medical and legal advice for themselves.

I'm confused. The article opens with: > OpenAI is changing its policies so that its AI chatbot, ChatGPT, won’t dole out tailored medical or legal advice to users. This already seems to contradict what you're saying. But then: > The AI research company updated its usage policies on Oct. 29 to clarify that users of ChatGPT can’t use the service for “tailored advice that requires a license, such as legal or medical advi…

The article itself notes:

'An earlier version of this story suggested OpenAI had ended medical and legal advice. However the company said "the model behaviour has also not changed.'

Re: ChatGPT terms disallow its use in providing legal and medical advice to others

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 »

Eh. I am as surprised as anyone to make this argument, but this is good. Individuals should be able to make decisions including decisions that could be consider suboptimal. What it does change is:

- flood of 3rd party apps offering medical/legal advice

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