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Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by jjj123 »

michaelbarton wrote: post #13

I hope this win signals (to both parties) that voters are receptive and will get engaged when a clear message is presented about cost of living and quality of life issues. Some of which are taken for granted in most other western countries. I’m no political wonk, and I’m curious what others with more insight might say about his ability to fund and implement his polices. I’m reminided of Obama and his hopeful message…

Only speaking for myself (also not a political wonk): I do not expect Mamdani to be able to enact all of his policies. Not because of money but because of political opposition from the powerful.

I felt the same about Bernie and Medicare for all. We have the money to do it, but the powerful will not let it happen.

However: that doesn’t mean we should elect politicians that won’t even try to make these things happen. It’s important to have a North Star to shoot for, to move the Overton window of what’s worth discussing and to keep an eye on what political machinations block it from happening. I will never vote for a politician who pre-compromises with an imagined opposition, because that tells me they have a different North Star than I do in the first place.

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

mmooss wrote: post #493
somenameforme wrote: post #334

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I think people had rose colored glasses about Obama because he was, by far, the most charismatic President we've had in modern times. His speeches still give me goose bumps, even when I disagree with what he's saying! That man has the gift of gab. Him also being intelligent further, sadly, makes him an outlier in modern times. But many of the things he did were dubious and ACA is a perfect example of this. It's littl…

> Obama ... was, by far, the most charismatic President we've had in modern times Watching old Obama speeches, I find him mostly run-of-the-mill. Trump, whether or not you like him, is far more charismatic - his success is built on his charisma. Also, look up Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan speeches, by maybe that isn't what you mean by 'modern times'.

> Trump, whether or not you like him, is far more charismatic

Really? Maybe a decade ago, but now? He cannot keep a coherent thought for more than a few seconds, so every speech is a fucking rambling mess. Even subtitles cannot help make sense of it most of the time.

> - his success is built on his charisma

Bullshitter sales people can be very charming at times, I will give you that.

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Post by whateveracct »

omnimus wrote: post #596
whateveracct wrote: post #413

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I don't want my President to act like a dictator even if they're on "my side." Some things are more important than policy. Obama understood this and respected the office. Trump took a fat dump on the office and I'm not sure if our country's values will ever recover from this race to the bottom.

This is apologetic liberal tactic to keep the status quo. US president is still the most powerful political position on the planet. They can do stuff you know. Obama is not some good hearted hero who had his hands tied. He ran on pretty progressive campaign because it polled well and when he came to office he just did what his sponsors wanted - keep status quo. It was keeping the money in pockets of billionaires and…

I believe in the foundational governance principles in the Constitution more than whatever liberal policy liberals say we "desperately need."

I don't want a liberal Trump.

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Post by randycupertino »

miley_cyrus wrote: post #452
xivzgrev wrote: post #415

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I'll give you one reason, among many, it wasn't a failure. It made it illegal to deny people health insurance coverage based on pre existing conditions. That was a big step forward in a broken system to restore some humanity to the system.

No that is a huge failure. That is perhaps the biggest failure of Obamacare. That means I, as someone with healthy lifestyle habits, has to pay largely the same premium as someone who smokes, is obese, and doesn't exercise. And sure enough, life expectancy in the US immediately stalled after the law's implementation: https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/usa/uni... . Exactly what economics would predic…

The obese and smokers actually cost less because they die early vs healthy people who live a long life and need a lot of care when they're aged.

"Smoking was associated with a moderate decrease in healthcare costs, and a marked decrease in pension costs due to increased mortality." https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/2/6/e001678

The UK did a study and they found that from the three biggest healthcare risks; obesity, smoking, and alcohol, they realize a net savings of £22.8 billion (£342/$474 per person) per year. This is due primarily to people with health risks not living as long (healthcare for the elderly is exceptionally expensive), as well as reduced spending on pensions, etc..

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Post by camel_Snake »

ecshafer wrote: post #776
moregrist wrote: post #340

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When I lived in Pennsylvania, the state-run liquor stores had a monopoly on selling wine and liquor. This survived Republican and Democratic administrations for decades. Mamdani’s proposed grocery stores aren’t a monopoly. Whether they’re a good idea remains to be seen, but they’d be competing against privately owned grocery stores. As I understand them, they’re mostly intended for areas without a local grocery store…

And people hate the government run liquor stores so much they drive to Delaware to buy in wine and liquor in bulk, since the stores are expensive.

Hi, that's not why people go to Delaware for those kind of purchases. It's the lack of tax.

The actual MSRP from PA wine and liquor stores is very competitive, since it's one of the largest single buyers of alcohol. Selection could be better though.

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Post by EasyMark »

testfoobar wrote: post #52

Mamdani's and by extension, his voters', ignorance about the effects of price controls in markets will be an interesting real-time political experiment. When the inevitable unintended outcomes become to emerge who will be blamed? https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/resources/apart... https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform Quoting Paul Krugman (Nobel prize winner and liberal columnist at the NYT). "The analysi…

I’m not sure your understand that almost none of his price control “wants” are likely to be enacted. City government is pretty moderate and Mamdani isn’t a dictator

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Post by hypeatei »

scrubs wrote: post #446

A salient factor in this election is Trump. I've been saying for years that overreach on the right creates space, then oxygen, then agency for the (far) left. This election is the natural and logical consequence of maga overreach (and vanilla skanky stupidity) and reminds economic popularism is not wholly owned by the right. My fear is the US will cycle dumb right to stupid left, which helps absolutely nobody. It's t…

> My fear is the US will cycle dumb right to stupid left, which helps absolutely nobody.

I agree, but having a "stupid left" is a whole lot better than a "dumb right" who is authoritarian and willing to side step everything in their hopes of creating a christo-fascist utopia.

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Post by EasyMark »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

I'm noticing that this election result has made a lot of people I know really hopeful. It's apparent that many people are fed up with the status quo so they're pushing towards more experimental candidates. If anyone here is well-read on his policies and they have specific opinions I'd love to hear what you think. Do you think Zohran will be successful with his agenda or will he get blocked by pushback from other poli…

I think it’s likely around 75% of his agenda will be blocked. NYC is a big ship to turn. However it will still be better than what Cuomo would have done

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Post by BonitaPersona »

krapp wrote: post #694
thrance wrote: post #683

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The Democrats lost the last election because they put too much effort into catering to the right and completely lost their own base. The only thing Kamala Harris had to do was take a stance against genocide - which should be a no-brainer , instead she only doubled down and started talking about guns and bringing neocons into the fold. Now she's getting dragged on Twitter for her effusive eulogizing of Dick Cheney. Do…

>Does anyone think that if Zohran or Kamala died tomorrow, that anyone on the right, even up to the White House, would return the same courtesy?

Yes they would, as they have been doing so far.

You should widen your sources of information.

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