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I’m worried that they put co-pilot in Excel

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Re: I’m worried that they put co-pilot in Excel

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post #26

Excel is the “beast that drives the ENTIRE economy” and he’s worried about Brenda from the finance department losing her job because then her boss will get bad financial reports I suppose the person that wrote that have not ideia Excel is just an app builder where you embed data together with code. You know that we have excel because computers didn’t understand column names in databases and so data extraction needed…

You missed this bit “.. and then the AI is gonna fuck it up real bad and he won't be able to recognize it because he doesn't understand because AI hallucinates.”

Brendas have fucked it up multiple times, by themselves or because their boss demanded

Re: I’m worried that they put co-pilot in Excel

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Co-pilot and AI has been shoved at the Microsoft Stack in my org for months. Most of the features were disabled or hopelessly bad. It’s cheaper for Microsoft to push this junk and claim they’re doing something, it’s going to improve their stock far more than not doing it, even though it’s basically useless currently. Another issue is that my org disallows AI transcription bots. It’s a legit security risk if you have…

Transcription is arguably one of the must useful enterprise AI tools avaliable. But i sure as heck wouldn't trust the cloud with it.

Still find the Copilot transcripts orders of magnitude worse than something like Wispr Flow and they tend to allucinate constantly and do not adapt to a company's context (that Copilot has access too...). I am talking about acronyms of products / teams, names of people (even when they are in the call), etc.

Re: I’m worried that they put co-pilot in Excel

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Hmmm the Brendas I know look a little different. “There are two Brendas - their job is to make spreadsheets in the Finance department. Well, not quite - they add the months and categories to empty spreadsheets, then they ask the other departments to fill in their sales numbers every month so it can be presented to management. “The two Brendas don’t seem to talk, otherwise they would realize that they’re both asking e…

That's a pretty specific example when there are a lot of good "spreadsheet people" out there who do a lot more than spreadsheets (maybe they had to write SQL queries or scripts to get those numbers), but commonly need to simplify things down to a spreadsheet or power point for upper management. I'm not saying you should have multiple people doing redundant work, but this style isn't entirely dumb.

What would this be replaced by? Some kind of large SAP like system that costs millions of dollars and requires a dozen IT staff to maintain?

Re: I’m worried that they put co-pilot in Excel

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post #9

This reminds me of a friend whose company ran a daily perl script that committed every financial transaction of the day to a database. Without the script, the company could literally make no money irrespectively of sales because this database was one piece in a complex system for payment processor interoperability. The script ran in a machine located at the corner of a cubicle and only one employee had the admin pass…

That sounds pretty bad. Not a great argument against AI: "Our employees have created such a bad mess that AI wont work because only they know how the mess they created works".

Re: I’m worried that they put co-pilot in Excel

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post #26

Excel is the “beast that drives the ENTIRE economy” and he’s worried about Brenda from the finance department losing her job because then her boss will get bad financial reports I suppose the person that wrote that have not ideia Excel is just an app builder where you embed data together with code. You know that we have excel because computers didn’t understand column names in databases and so data extraction needed…

The post is clearly hyperbole obviously the sole issue being brought up isn't 'brenda losing her job may be bad for the company' you're being facetious.

Re: I’m worried that they put co-pilot in Excel

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This is transparent nonsense. People are very very happy to introduce errors into excel spreadsheets without any help from AI.

Financial statements are correct because of auditors who check the numbers.

If you have a good audit process then errors get detected even if AI helped introduce them. If you aren't doing a good audit then I suspect nobody cares whether your financial statement is correct (anyone who did would insist on an audit).

Re: I’m worried that they put co-pilot in Excel

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Nay-sayers need to decide whether they fear AI because AI is dumb and will fuckup or because AI is smart and will take over.

Silly calling Simon a nay-sayer.

Are you a fanatic that thinks anyone saying that there are any limitations to current models = nay-sayer?

Like if someone says they wouldnt wanna get a heart transplant operation done purely by GPT5, are they a nay-sayer or is that just reflecting reality?

Re: I’m worried that they put co-pilot in Excel

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"the sweat from Brenda's brow is what allows us to do capitalism."

The CEO has been itching to fire this person and nuke her department forever. She hasn't gotten the hint with the low pay or long hours, but now Copilot creates exactly the opening the CEO has been looking for.

Re: I’m worried that they put co-pilot in Excel

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I find the contrast between two narratives around technology use so fascinating:

1. We advocate automation because people like Brenda are error-prone and machines are perfect.

2. We disavow AI because people like Brenda are perfect and the machine is error-prone.

These aren't contradictions because we only advocate for automation in limited contexts: when the task is understandable, the execution is reliable, the process is observable, and the endeavour tedious. The complexity of the task isn't a factor - it's complex to generate correct machine code, but we trust compilers to do it all the time.

In a nutshell, we seem to be fine with automation if we can have a mental model of what it does and how it does it in a way that saves humans effort.

So, then - why don't people embrace AI with thinking mode as an acceptable form of automation? Can't the C-suite in this case follow its thought process and step in when it messes up?

I think people still find AI repugnant in that case. There's still a sense of "I don't know why you did this and it scares me", despite the debuggability, and it comes from the autonomy without guardrails. People want to be able to stop bad things before they happen, but with AI you often only seem to do so after the fact.

Narrow AI, AI with guardrails, AI with multiple safety redundancies - these don't elicit the same reaction. They seem to be valid, acceptable forms of automation. Perhaps that's what the ecosystem will eventually tend to, hopefully.

Re: I’m worried that they put co-pilot in Excel

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post #6

This quote is pulled from a TikTok, I recommend watching the whole thing here: https://www.tiktok.com/@belligerentbarbies/video/75683800086... (I pulled the quote by using yt-dlp to grab the MP4 and then running that through MacWhisper to generate a transcript.)

I can see that MacWhisper uses parakeet v2 as the model (although it allows choosing another model).

Is MacWhisper a $60 GUI for a Python script that just runs the model?

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