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Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by mlrtime »

jijijijij wrote: post #695
mmooss wrote: post #493

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> Obama ... was, by far, the most charismatic President we've had in modern times Watching old Obama speeches, I find him mostly run-of-the-mill. Trump, whether or not you like him, is far more charismatic - his success is built on his charisma. Also, look up Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan speeches, by maybe that isn't what you mean by 'modern times'.

Compared to Trump, Bush was more charismatic. Apart from the inability to reliably form coherent sentences or speak with any intellect showing, Trump is so consistent in spleens and weird mannerisms, literally every person exposed to it can imitate it recognizably as parody. He's a caricature. People talk about Trump because he/his team excels at distraction through outrage. He's not charismatic, he's dopaminergic.

Also Trump is a great comparison to Obama. Obama spoke very well, but did little to nothing, people hated him.

Trump is nearly opposite, he doesn't speak as well clearly. But his actions are stronger, and thats what the voters want. They don't want a smoother talker that tells you what you want to hear and does nothing.

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Post by kcplate »

xivzgrev wrote: post #415
reenorap wrote: post #401

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Obama was hated by San Franciscan progressives because he came in with all of these promises and then backtracked on almost all of them. He basically turned into a Bush-lite, and he even maintained every single one of Bush's policies as well as deadlines. For example, he talked a lot about abortion and then immediately said it wasn't a priority for him once he got into office. He never closed Guantanamo and in both e…

I'll give you one reason, among many, it wasn't a failure. It made it illegal to deny people health insurance coverage based on pre existing conditions. That was a big step forward in a broken system to restore some humanity to the system.

So why not have just done that?

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Post by yahoozoo »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #102
octaane wrote: post #73

You guys have it all wrong. There was only one candidate for the dem party, Here's the list: 1) Cuomo. Sexpest who has been accused by many women of some pretty shitty stuff. Also a member of a multi-generational dynasty, which is not good. 2) Mayor Adams. Federally indicted by the Feds. They have a 99% conviction rate. Not because they're corrupt, but because they only go after people who have dome some really egreg…

The fact that I was seeing Sliwa favourably speaks to the candidate quality in this race. > No dirt. Other that some stupid stuff he said while he was young Stupid stuff he credibly disavowed. I’m still blown away that after De Blasio he was the only one, when asked a foreign policy question, who said he’d put city priorities first.

It was pretty pathetic when, during one of the mayoral debates this year, most of the candidates including Cuomo said the first country they would visit as mayor would be Israel. Thankfully, younger generations aren’t falling for it anymore.

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Post by Aunche »

__d wrote: post #684
Aunche wrote: post #297

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Radically changing healthcare works out great in people's heads, but then they immediately whine about their Ozempic no longer being covered like in socialized healthcare countries which don't use expensive cutting edge drugs as a first resort. No matter how competent the government is, which ours isn't, any radical change (besides just throwing more money at the problem) will make things worse before they are better…

FWIW, semaglutide is available in Australia via the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (part of the socialized healthcare system), when prescribed for treatment of type 2 diabetes. Which means it is cheap, because the government bulk-buys it at a negotiated price. There are plenty of treatments that aren’t subsidized, but it’s not as restricted as it might be perceived. There’s very little whining about things not being…

> FWIW, semaglutide is available in Australia via the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (part of the socialized healthcare system), when prescribed for treatment of type 2 diabetes

Compare the "restriction" section of Ozempic vs metformin. Ozempic is absolutely not allowed to be prescribed as a first resort against type 2 diabetes. Contrast that with a lot of American private insurance, particularly at good employers, where restrictions are much looser. This performative generosity for common treatments, especially trendy ones, is why most people view their private insurance positively, much higher than the state of healthcare in the country.

https://m.pbs.gov.au/medicine/item/2430X.html

https://m.pbs.gov.au/medicine/item/12075m-12080t.html

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Post by rsynnott »

torginus wrote: post #661
xivzgrev wrote: post #415

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I'll give you one reason, among many, it wasn't a failure. It made it illegal to deny people health insurance coverage based on pre existing conditions. That was a big step forward in a broken system to restore some humanity to the system.

This is a bit of an aside, but why isn't medical tourism more popular in the US? If you could set aside a couple tens of thousands of dollars, as a rainy day fund, you could get close to the very best possible care for even serious conditions from countries that have highly developed medical tourism sectors. Granted, I acknowledge, that the US will likely still provide better care at the absolute high end, and asking…

The sort of people who can set aside a couple tens of thousands of dollars are also the sort of people who probably have good health insurance through their job. Generally, the US's healthcare problems _mostly_ impact low to middle income people, and they usually can't just magic up 30k or so.

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Post by gedy »

hakfoo wrote: post #268
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Mamdani will learn that you need to be friends with the people your voters hate to get things done. Developers are the single most important players in lowering housing costs, but they are part of the "landlord" contingent in voters minds. If he doesn't learn that, the city is going to be in bad shape. Impossible to get an apartment unless you want to get an illegal sublet at regular old $4500/mo prices.

The market isn't going to function ideally in a place like New York. In other cities, a significant market-based response to high rents and housing demand is to increase supply with another ring of suburbs. Is there anywhere within reasonable commute radius left to develop around NYC at scale? Uncapping rents might trigger some refurbishment of idle or marginal space by dangling enough money in front of landlords, bu…

> Is there anywhere within reasonable commute radius left to develop around NYC at scale?

I get the challenge of existing property/buildings other states, etc - but it always seems weird to me that you can have single story buildings less than one mile from Manhattan in Hoboken, etc. (as the crow flies, I get transit, etc).

Feels like the big problem is we can't change anything easily anymore.

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Post by RCitronsBroker »

ecshafer wrote: post #70

I hope this turns out well for New York, but I am doubtful. Rent control is such a colossally bad idea, a rent freeze is going to be a disaster. This is going to further increase the lottery nature of New York City real estate, and reduce investment. His plans are set to drive finance and businesses out of the city in his goal to give away money to everyone, which will bankrupt the city. Socialism has a bad track rec…

let me guess, you are significantly less concerned about the much more blatant rhetoric used to disqualify zohran on his percieved religious association, arent you?

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Post by b3ing »

_heimdall wrote: post #697
xivzgrev wrote: post #415

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I'll give you one reason, among many, it wasn't a failure. It made it illegal to deny people health insurance coverage based on pre existing conditions. That was a big step forward in a broken system to restore some humanity to the system.

Had the ACA gone further and actually provided a single payer system, I'd consider the block on denials based on preexisting conditions a win. As it is we have a system of private "insurance" that can't consider the risk level of those being insured. All that means is the companies charge everyone else more to subsidize the cost of those who are more at risk. That bastardizes the whole point of private insurance. I d…

Blame Joe Lieberman for that one.

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Post by matthewdgreen »

_heimdall wrote: post #697
xivzgrev wrote: post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll give you one reason, among many, it wasn't a failure. It made it illegal to deny people health insurance coverage based on pre existing conditions. That was a big step forward in a broken system to restore some humanity to the system.

Had the ACA gone further and actually provided a single payer system, I'd consider the block on denials based on preexisting conditions a win. As it is we have a system of private "insurance" that can't consider the risk level of those being insured. All that means is the companies charge everyone else more to subsidize the cost of those who are more at risk. That bastardizes the whole point of private insurance. I d…

Health insurance that can discriminate against people based on pre-existing conditions rapidly becomes health insurance you can’t use. Sure, it’ll be cheaper for a few years. Then, with non-negligible probability, you’ll develop a serious condition. At that point the cost becomes anywhere between “high” and “infinite”. If the point is just “private insurance is dumb”, sure, I mostly agree.

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Post by thunky »

noir_lord wrote: post #597
slg wrote: post #451

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I'll throw in extending parental coverage to 26. I have a sibling with type 1 diabetes and it's impossible for me to describe the positive impact those two provisions have had on their life. Just because a piece of a legislation includes painful compromises doesn't mean we should ignore its huge wins.

That has in part become the issue in modern politics, any compromise no matter how minor is seen as a loss. Neither sides most ardent supporters was willing to accept anything that looked like a compromise and so you end up with things as they are now, with someone where compromise shouldn’t happen because there is no practical compromise. US politics has collapsed down to the scorpion and the frog.

> That has in part become the issue in modern politics, any compromise no matter how minor is seen as a loss.

Because to those who are now getting hit with huge insurance bills as a direct effect of that compromise, and may have to go without insurance at all, it is a loss.

And nothing has been done to address the underlying reasons and bad incentives that have led to this outcome. Which is also a failure.

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