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Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by CamperBob2 »

Ericson2314 wrote: post #292
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #115

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> he called for universal health care but once he was elected he started saying it was "too radical" ACA was the most radical package that could have passed, and it still cost Democrats the Congress. This line of argument reminds of the folks who complained about Sinema and Manchin. You know what we’d have with a few more Sinemas and Manchins in the party right now? A majority. The bill that passes is better than the…

> ACA was the most radical package that could have passed, and it still cost Democrats the Congress. Bad casual reasoning. There is so little evidence that voters care about policies years before they go into effect.

Fox News made damned sure the voters cared.

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Post by monocasa »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #319
monocasa wrote: post #301

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A huge chunk of the plan is converting unused office space into housing in Manhattan, mostly in neighborhoods that were already mostly commercial, so there's relatively little NIMBY pushback.

It's often cheaper to just demolish and rebuild, which is still very expensive. Office space is built totally differently than residential space, unless you want dorms with communal bathrooms and kitchens.

It's easier than most people give it credit for. A lot of the complaints are from attempts to loosen the building code. There's savings of many millions on the table per refit if they manage to pass those, but they're not as needed as people say. For instance you lay down a raised floor to run utilities, and you can push sewer away from the core for relatively cheap and without shared bath/kitchen.

That being said, a return to allowing boarding house style housing would also not be the worst thing in the world for some buildings, and would probably do a lot to reduce homelessness. Hell, if I were still in my early 20s I'd be into the idea of a room to rent with shared bath/kitchen to save some money even not necessarily requiring the reduced in unit amenities.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #115
nialv7 wrote: post #106

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I kinda feel Obama is more of a Trojan horse. It was not he tried and failed to get what he campaigned for implemented, it was more like he did a U turn after he got elected. e.g. he called for universal health care but once he was elected he started saying it was "too radical". I hope the same doesn't happen with Zohran. If he was going to fail after all, I wish that will at least be after he had fought as hard as h…

> he called for universal health care but once he was elected he started saying it was "too radical" ACA was the most radical package that could have passed, and it still cost Democrats the Congress. This line of argument reminds of the folks who complained about Sinema and Manchin. You know what we’d have with a few more Sinemas and Manchins in the party right now? A majority. The bill that passes is better than the…

This line of thinking died the moment that the parties began another realignment with 2024. We are in the beginnings of the 7th party system.

Curtis Sliwa was significantly to the left of both Eric Adams and Cuomo on a whole host of issues, which is one of the many reasons why Trump refused to endorse Silwa (they hate each other). If we didn't have a Sinema or Manchin, we might have liberal republicans like a Silwa who would be objectively better if you're a liberal.

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Post by ThrowMeAway1618 »

testfoobar wrote: post #206
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #147

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> 34-year-old democratic socialist’s pledge for a four-year pause on any increases on the city’s 1 million or so stabilized units Out of 3.7mm [1]. > not directly familiar with Berlin Not comparable. Berlin froze rents “on more than 1.5 million” apartments in 2020 [2] out of about 2mm. 25% versus 75%. Also, Berlin’s politicians didn’t propose a construction agenda. Mamdani has. (“New York City voters on Tuesday deliv…

Increasing supply brings down prices. But a builder will not build at a loss or an imminent threat to their rental income from expansion of rent freezes. A city with an expanding rent-freeze is not inviting new supply.

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Post by afavour »

ch4s3 wrote: post #320
throwaway81523 wrote: post #240

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Plenty of red states have government run liquor stores. And army bases have government run grocery stores along with government run everything else. I don't see the problem here. Progressive version presumably would be free groceries for everyone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_grocery_store

State liquor stores are terrible, and I’ve never heard anyone say a nice word about on base grocery stores.

That’s just goal post shifting. The point is that government owned direct to consumer stores exist in areas of all political leaning.

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Post by overfeed »

nemo44x wrote: post #204
TimorousBestie wrote: post #189

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> You need to control cities to have any future. It seems like the strategy is to control state legislatures through extensive gerrymandering, then use state sovereignty to control the cities from without. Blue cities in otherwise red states are not able to experiment with local policies anymore, much to everyone’s detriment.

That’s not even the point though. You can always do these things but you still have no cultural power and you’ve yielded the important structures and financial capitals. That’s not a long term strategy. And it’s not that difficult to win these things, especially when you look at how objectively poor the oppositions performance has been in them. Historically they’ve been contested.

> You can always do these things but you still have no cultural power

That's when you use the power of the purse to contractually bind private businesses, non-profits, universities, etc, to your preferred values. Capital beats cultural power (or so goes the current gamble)

Edit: do I need to insert hyperlinks for the strong-arm tactics this administration has tried to force contractual counter-parties to adopts it's anti-DEI culture-war posture via a clause?

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Post by terminalshort »

raincom wrote: post #182
testfoobar wrote: post #167

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The underlying cause of runaway asset price inflation is ZIRP and QE. Renters experience it as rent increases outpacing wage increases - this is socially destructive. But neither Mamdani (DSA) or Democrats or Republicans are willing to touch Federal Reserve QE. Senator Schumer (D-NY) famously said in 2012 to Ben Bernanke (Federal Reserve Chair): 'Get To Work Mr. Chairman' - encouraging him to start Quantitative Easin…

Democrats want higher wages for workers instead of reducing the cost of living (rent, insurance, etc).

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Post by kacesensitive »

jen20 wrote: post #323
jen729w wrote: post #166

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That 40% would have voted for a potato if it'd been wearing a red tie.

Manifestly not - Cuomo ran as an independent, and a Republican did run.

The Republicans in the Whitehouse told them to vote Cuomo

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Post by afavour »

julianozen wrote: post #130
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

I'm noticing that this election result has made a lot of people I know really hopeful. It's apparent that many people are fed up with the status quo so they're pushing towards more experimental candidates. If anyone here is well-read on his policies and they have specific opinions I'd love to hear what you think. Do you think Zohran will be successful with his agenda or will he get blocked by pushback from other poli…

Hi I don’t think I like several of his ideas or think he will get most of them passed. In fact I think a few like “freezing the rent” are actively bad But I’m happy to finally have a politician who lives in and loves New York and is earnestly trying to my the city better. If he tries and fails, it will be better than our other politicians that have stopped trying

Particularly in comparison to Cuomo who by all accounts doesn’t even seem to like the city he campaigned to run. A tiny bit of joy goes a very long way.
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