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NoLongerEvil-Thermostat – Nest Generation 1 and 2 Firmware

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Re: NoLongerEvil-Thermostat – Nest Generation 1 and 2 Firmware

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1. There is no subscription.

2. I paid less than $200 for it.

3. The device lets me control the thermostat remotely. I can turn on the heater when coming home from a trip, or turn it off if I forgot when I left.

4. I can just say "Hey Google, turn up the heat" out loud.

I don't care if Google knows about the temperature of my home. I absolutely would buy the product again.

Re: NoLongerEvil-Thermostat – Nest Generation 1 and 2 Firmware

#72
Whoever made this needs to add a license right now with at least some kind of indemnity/no-warranty clause. If something goes wrong, the user can sue you, and likely win. Your nolongerevil.com website also needs a EULA w/indemnification before allowing users to register.

Re: NoLongerEvil-Thermostat – Nest Generation 1 and 2 Firmware

#73

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I don't get the hate, it looks like they reverse-engineered the nest thermostat and wrote a firmware for it? That's super cool and the fact that an open source project doesn't have a privacy policy yet doesn't really matter at this point

> ...looks like they reverse-engineered the nest thermostat and wrote a firmware... Not to diminish what this project has done, but they modified existing firmware to make it communicate with a different server. They've also implemented a server for the thermostat API. It's pretty neat but, at this point, it's just a hacked firmware that talks to a different proprietary server. Edit: It's not even a modification to t…

Does it not use TLS? Wouldn't the Nest have to trust a CA willing to issue certificates without proving ownership?

Re: NoLongerEvil-Thermostat – Nest Generation 1 and 2 Firmware

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Right now it's just a blob that you flash to your device to make it talk to a proprietary service. It is not yet " giving me complete control over my device data and settings ." I can't change where it comnects to etc. In fact - I don't even see a privacy policy on nolongerevil.com! Hey, I can login at nolongerevil.com using my Microsoft-owned github login! And there's yet another company involved: clerk.com - yay? "…

I don't get the hate, it looks like they reverse-engineered the nest thermostat and wrote a firmware for it? That's super cool and the fact that an open source project doesn't have a privacy policy yet doesn't really matter at this point

Running open-source firmware someone's hacking on (which gets little to no testing) on a gas appliance that can burn your house down is probably not the best idea.

If you are paranoid about Nest being evil maybe stick to one of those Honeywell round hockey-puck things with the mercury inside.

Or use a Z-Wave/Zigbee thermostat from a reputable vendor (there aren't many) and control it from a gateway of your choice.

Re: NoLongerEvil-Thermostat – Nest Generation 1 and 2 Firmware

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post #62

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Have you considered just not living with people you think so little of?

I have an analogue thermostat in my home, but vacations (in rental properties) with the in-laws turn into thermostat wars. I particularly don't appreciate the ones that use proximity sensors to light the thermostat display's backlight. Whoever came up with that idea was a genuine asshole. Besides, would you really break off a relationship over something so petty as temperature preference? The people who find somebody…

I agree, everyone makes small sacrifices and concessions to the people they live with, and I would never break up with someone over such a small issue as temperature preference. But trying to trick your partner or housemate into thinking you haven’t changed the temperature? That’s the kind of strategy you use when you’re stuck with someone you can’t communicate with, or don’t respect enough to want to communicate with, or have given up on communicating with. At that point I’d be packing my things.

Re: NoLongerEvil-Thermostat – Nest Generation 1 and 2 Firmware

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get the hate, it looks like they reverse-engineered the nest thermostat and wrote a firmware for it? That's super cool and the fact that an open source project doesn't have a privacy policy yet doesn't really matter at this point

Running open-source firmware someone's hacking on (which gets little to no testing) on a gas appliance that can burn your house down is probably not the best idea. If you are paranoid about Nest being evil maybe stick to one of those Honeywell round hockey-puck things with the mercury inside. Or use a Z-Wave/Zigbee thermostat from a reputable vendor (there aren't many) and control it from a gateway of your choice.

This is for people who have already bought a nest and got burnt by the deprecation of their online services. Of course they could get another thermostat but then that'd just be more stuff for the landfills.

Re: NoLongerEvil-Thermostat – Nest Generation 1 and 2 Firmware

#77

Whoever made this needs to add a license right now with at least some kind of indemnity/no-warranty clause. If something goes wrong, the user can sue you, and likely win. Your nolongerevil.com website also needs a EULA w/indemnification before allowing users to register.

The user is going to win after going out of their way to install an aftermarket binary blob on their deprecated thermostat? Seems like a stretch no?

Re: NoLongerEvil-Thermostat – Nest Generation 1 and 2 Firmware

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Running open-source firmware someone's hacking on (which gets little to no testing) on a gas appliance that can burn your house down is probably not the best idea. If you are paranoid about Nest being evil maybe stick to one of those Honeywell round hockey-puck things with the mercury inside. Or use a Z-Wave/Zigbee thermostat from a reputable vendor (there aren't many) and control it from a gateway of your choice.

This is for people who have already bought a nest and got burnt by the deprecation of their online services. Of course they could get another thermostat but then that'd just be more stuff for the landfills.

Early generation Nest hardware was garbage, and was known for blowing FETs that failed closed, turning people's ACs into giant ice cubes. Putting it in the landfill would be doing yourself a favor.

The ex-Apple culture in the early history of Nest was evident, which ostensibly spec'd FETs over mechanical relays for superficial reasons, because clicking sounds are ugly. The results were in the spirit of other Apple engineering marvels (Titanium Powerbook, Antennagate, Bendgate).

Re: NoLongerEvil-Thermostat – Nest Generation 1 and 2 Firmware

#79
Are they good options for cloud-freeish thermostats? I have two units (one for upstairs and one for downstairs). We have two nests but they’re so frustrating. I’ve lobotomized the “smart behavior” as much as a I can. I want a thermostat that connects to the home assistant I already have

Re: NoLongerEvil-Thermostat – Nest Generation 1 and 2 Firmware

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post #42

Right now it's just a blob that you flash to your device to make it talk to a proprietary service. It is not yet " giving me complete control over my device data and settings ." I can't change where it comnects to etc. In fact - I don't even see a privacy policy on nolongerevil.com! Hey, I can login at nolongerevil.com using my Microsoft-owned github login! And there's yet another company involved: clerk.com - yay? "…

> PS: Sorry for being so negative... perhaps the release should have been delayed until all of this is opened up.

This is one of the major problems with doing anything good online. People like this.

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