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Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by gus_massa »

yandie wrote: post #98
bsimpson wrote: post #67

Might wanna spell-check the post if you want any credibility on your claim: > worfklows Observable is already open-sourced and well-respected. Bold and ridiculous to claim your random product is "the successor" of a well-known project, without any obvious relationship to the founders/maintainers of the thing you claim to be aping.

What's wrong with `workflows` - out of curiosity? Also, AFAIK, Observable is only JS - this is a Python notebook solution that we are talking here. I'm just an observer - their claim of being successor to Jupyter is definitely hyperbole.

There is an extra F "worFkflows". I don't mind it, but they should fix it anyway.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by PostOnce »

Equiet wrote: post #84
orly01 wrote: post #42

I don't know much about this, but I understand Project Jupyter is Nonprofit. If I go to "jupyter.org" I see a tab "Community" and another "Governance". If I go to "deepnote.com" I see "Customers" and "Pricing". Why would people want a standard to be controlled by a private company? I don't think the "Open-Sourcing" of it says enough. How does licensing work with formats or standards?

All standards are ultimately controlled by private companies. Even non-profits require funding. Open source always depended on a viable business model (of one or many companies) that can sustain not just the release, but also an ongoing maintenance of the standard.

Interestingly, even the Warez Scene has standards, and no commercial backing. They're enforced, too.

To see the actual standards, you can search for "standard" on https://defacto2.net/search/file

There's a free book that covers that topic:

https://punctumbooks.com/titles/warez-the-infrastructure-and...

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by etrvic »

simonw wrote: post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

I don't know if I'm missing something here, but I think they rephrased the article, or at least the quoted sentence is not there anymore.

Edit: I checked with wayback machine and they definitely modified the article.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by [deleted] »

yandie wrote: post #98
bsimpson wrote: post #67

Might wanna spell-check the post if you want any credibility on your claim: > worfklows Observable is already open-sourced and well-respected. Bold and ridiculous to claim your random product is "the successor" of a well-known project, without any obvious relationship to the founders/maintainers of the thing you claim to be aping.

What's wrong with `workflows` - out of curiosity? Also, AFAIK, Observable is only JS - this is a Python notebook solution that we are talking here. I'm just an observer - their claim of being successor to Jupyter is definitely hyperbole.

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Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by tacticus »

taeric wrote: post #37
aitchnyu wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, Marimo seems perfectly gittable and Deepnote looks more of the status quo. > Human-readable format: The .deepnote YAML format replaces .ipynb's messy JSON with clean, version-control and human-friendly structure for projects and notebooks. You can organize multiple notebooks, integrations, and settings into a single .deepnote project for better structure and collaboration. https://marimo.io/blog/python-not-json

I confess that picking yaml doesn't feel safe to me. As much as it annoys people, fenced formats are the way, here. And if you aren't careful, you are going to recreate XML. Probably poorly.

significant whitespace is just problematic in all spaces.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by paradox460 »

drnick1 wrote: post #10

Are there any other people who hate notebooks? Give a plain old script anytime. Run and edit anywhere without extra packages or even a Web browser.

I'm more amused by them than anything. They're mostly just a reinvention of literate programming, via web or org mode or whatever

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by paradox460 »

martinky24 wrote: post #74

It's telling that Wolfram / Mathemetica doesn't even come up in a blog post like this, as the inventors of "the notebook". Jupyter took the concept to a whole new level, but the concept did originate in Mathematica 30 years ago!

The concept of literate programming, text interspersed with code, is older. Knuth mostly invented it, writing TeX, among other things, in it. Org mode even let you evaluate code blocks and store the output, or use it in future blocks.

Re: Deepnote, a Jupyter alternative, is going open source

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Post by jahewson »

simonw wrote: post #45

Way to undermine an interesting product launch through poorly chosen language: > Let’s be frank the single‑player notebook has felt outdated for a while now. We’re open‑sourcing its successor. Jupyter belongs in the hall of great ideas — alongside “Hello, world.” and “View Source.” If you're trying to reach out to the Python community this is not the way to do it. Completely unnecessary hostile language there! Have s…

It reads like a sales call where they’re getting customer pushback and responding with something quantitative - not a good opener at all, especially for this audience. The GPT tone pushes it over the edge.

What they built looks great and I don’t disagree with their take in substance, but you get one chance to make your open source announcement good - don’t blow it like this.

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