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Honestly, no. Throwing some particularly 'bad apples' under the bus doesn't equate to accountability.
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>The indictment said the soldiers assaulted the Palestinian prisoner and sodomized him with a knife, causing multiple injuries... When military police came to Sde Teiman in July to detain the soldiers suspected of abuse, they scuffled with protesters opposed to the arrests. How the fuck do people go out there protesting in support of the violent rape of prisoners? Sickening stuff.
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I made an argument that there should be a trial and argued explicitly against those who think thee shouldn't be a trial. Here's how you responded to my defense of common law and due process: "Right, because over the course of the past 400 years, those institutions have always worked everywhere and no one's ever been at the margins of the justice system, been arrested arbitrarily or ignored by the police, had to langu…
>I made an argument that there should be a trial and argued explicitly against those who think thee shouldn't be a trial Correct, you made a straw man: literally no one is saying there shouldn't be a trial in this thread. You know who isn't? The Israeli government, the military whose members are accused of a crime, and a large and vocal segment of the Israeli population. The same cohort _do_ want a criminal case leve…
Of course I didn't walk back my claim that the video is doctored, and of course it's not unsupported. Here is one of many articles alleging the video is doctored and pointing to the specific person (Guy Peleg) who doctored it by splicing together different clips from different days: https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/sde-teiman-the-leak-that-sho...
This is just reporting, and it will need to be tested in court. But my claim is not unsupported.
Why does the reportimg say she "abandoned" her car at the beach? She was at the beach when she was located. People usually do not take their cars with them once they arrive at their destination. To get out and walk is not abandoning the car.
she either tried to commit suicide or tried to stage it. she was found wet without some of her clothes
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she either tried to commit suicide or tried to stage it. she was found wet without some of her clothes
Wet without some of her clothes, at a beach. Isn’t that what people do at a beach?
>Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu echoed his defence minister's words on Sunday, saying that the incident at Sde Teiman was "perhaps the most severe public relations attack that the State of Israel has experienced since its establishment". https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0kpd97qqko This is all very inconvenient that people know the truth I guess ...
I'm not versed enough in the full history of Israel, but perhaps attacking several of your neighbours, buying anti-citizen and anti-journalism spyware, raping prisoners, keeping a de facto dictator in power… well, I think Israel has done plenty to smear its own image. Am I in a bubble? Because for more than a year I'd be hard pressed to find anyone in my country that would still be pro-Israel as a whole. Some nuanced…
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What kind of solution are you thinking of?
The Final Solution[0](tm) of course.
And the irony would be incredibly risible if it weren't so tragic.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution
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I'm trying to be as charitable as I possibly can be, but it looks like you're arguing that brutal prisoner torture is deserved if the victim is (portrayed as) heinous enough. Is this correct or was your argument something else? I can understand the impulse, but not the conscious arguing for it.
I am railing more against the totally one-sided reporting then against that this is not ok.
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Do you have a non-hyperbole response?
you suggested that it's not appropriate and they been thrown under a bus. i'll say that your response is the one that started with hyperboles